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DESIGNER

eclipse42
2017-08-05

Hello, I just want to ask why when I type for example medical it shows the newest designs as it should, but when typing real estate or lion it shows oldest or random, I am not sure. It says it is showing newest, in the upper right corner, but when going trough the logos it is not showing the newest, latest posted designs, it is showing some other (maybe random) , if someone wants to see newest designs he has to change to oldest and then again click on newest to see the newest uploads. Is there some mistake or it should be like that?



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2017-08-06

Also when typing lion in search there is a ton of horse logos, on first two pages there are over 30 horse logos that can be a problem when people are looking for logos. If they want a horse they will type horse, but when typing lion there are 30 horses on two pages, that is too much... I think the problem of this is the keyword "stallion" it has lion in it and that is why it show horse in lion section, could that be changed ?



ADMIN
ajleroux
2017-08-07

Hi Eclipse42,

We have been experimenting with a logo algorithm. Its job will be to show the best logos first. Determining which logos are "best" is a complex task to say the least. Much more so when trying to create a set of "rules" that will do it automatically. The unusual results you are seeing are tests. Some searches (like real estate logos and lion logos) are used to test the algorithm, so that we can see if it is up to the task before using it across more searches.

Thanks for reporting the lion/stallion issue. We are aware of it. There are other, similar problems with words contained within other words which our current search solution isn't handling correctly. We will look into this in the near future.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2017-08-07

Ok, thanks for the answer, I just asked because it was misleading saying that is shows newest when it doesn't, maybe it confuses the customers. Maybe you could add another section, newest, oldest, most viewed, etc, and with those to add another one saying best logos meaning best logos are currently shown ( not newest), not newest... But I understand it is a work in process and looking forward seeing it done.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2017-08-15

We have tweaked the way the search works so that a search for "lion" now no longer show results for "stallion".
http://www.logoground.com/logos.php?search=lion
If you find a bug or if there are other search terms that are generating inaccurate results please post them here.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2017-11-09

Hello some new words maybe to correct them when you find time
Bee - beer
bullet -bull
Lock - clock

Bee and beer are important I think because there is a good amount of this logos
Bullet and bull - that is a small amount of logos but there are some higher ranked bullet logos that are taking place from bull logos, one of them is mine and I don't want it there but if I delete a bullet as keyword how will someone find it
And last lock clock - there is also a good amount of these logos and it would be nice to divide them into there own categories/keywords.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2017-11-10

Many thanks eclipse42.
Fixed :)



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-01-25

Hello ajleroux, could you somehow fix keyword "eye". I saw that in search statistics there over 100 searches of eye or eye logo, but when typing it in search box it shows 23 pages of so called eye logos and there is not a single eye logo in first maybe 5-6 pages. I think that logoground has a general problem with a lot of keywords, with inaccurate results for some searches, "word in a word problem" I reported few and you fixed them. I think fixing it, would give maybe few more sales, maybe few eye logos would be sold right now, but clients are maybe not willing to go trough 23 pages of logos when there is a few eye logos in those pages. I know it is a big job, but I hope you could fix that in near future. With more logos coming in, the problem will just get bigger. I also know that the problem can be in designer typing keywords that are not relevant to logos, for example when typing woman, results given are containing few lion logos, roses, kittens, butterfly, etc. which aren't really what someone is looking for when typing woman, if someone wants butterfly he or she will type butterfly, same with roses, kittens, etc. but you can't fix them all, so maybe just fixing "eye" keyword for now if it can be done.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2018-01-25

Hi esclipse42,

Good find. Thanks. Fixed.

There is a way to change it so that all words are only searched on their own, not contained inside other words, but that would exclude many potentially relevant logos from searches where the exact form of the word isn't used. For now I think fixing problem words as we find them is the best option. If you find more, please let me know.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-02-09

Hello ajleroux, could you fix keyword "king" there are over 300 searches for "king" logos, but the search results are showing 74 pages of different logos including trees, letters, globes, etc.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-02-14

Hi, I guess you didn't see my post :) There are over 500 searches now. The word "king" can't be fixed or you missed my post, or it is on to do list.
Thanks, anyway.



DESIGNER
idStudio
2018-02-14

Hello eclipse42,

You're so great, you help all designer. Thank you

Regards,
idStudio



ADMIN
ajleroux
2018-02-15

Thanks eclipse42,

Sorry I missed your first post. Thanks for the reminder.

It's now fixed.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-02-15

Thanks ajleroux, thanks idStudio :))



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2018-02-15

I searched the LG database for GRAFFITI (for logos related to spraypaint, art, paint, wall, etc). But none of the them are graffiti related...

And there is not a single logo related to the subject...
Is this coincidence or just a failure...

All the logos that shows up are from ... bizlogo ;-)
Except one, the last one....

I hoped there was at least a handfull of logos related to graffiti/art/spraypaint :-D



DESIGNER


DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-02-15

In that case, I think that there is just not enough logos with keyword"graffiti", logoground has a problem that some keywords are not marked as keywords, meaning when you type for example "owl", and that keyword is not marked as keyword, then you get a result of 70+ pages of different logos not relevant to that keyword. In graffiti case there is only 2 pages, which probably means that there is a keyword "graffiti" but there is not enough logos of that kind.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2018-02-15

@Braindmaistro This is why I use Google, narrowing down with special operands. In this case, I would use the site operand and the pipe operand. The site operand limits the search to LogoGround and the pipe operand is equivalent to the Boolean search operand OR.

Here's the direct search query:
https://www.google.com/search?q=site:logoground.com+graffiti%7Cspraypaint%7Cart%7Cpaint%7Cwall&tbm=isch

The logos in the Google Images result page, for the most part, are very relevant.

Hope this helps,

Ortega Graphics



ADMIN
ajleroux
2018-02-17

Brandmaistro, there are many cases where a specific word brings up results from one designer if it is an uncommon word that that designer uses often. It is also noticeable in the Similar logos shown below the logos. The designer who made the logo will often have several of his/her own logos showing up as similar logos. Nothing to do with a specific designer account. It's the same for everyone and simply how the search deals with finding matches. It looks at keywords that are associated with the image.

Eclipse42 is right, the more obscure the search term, the fewer the results and the less likely it is that LG will be able to return good, matching results.

Thanks Ortega Graphics. The pipe operand is useful. Just to clarify for everyone else's benefit: the pipe operand works in Google search, but it is treated as a space in LG search.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-02-17

When we're talking about google search, could someone help me with understanding why on google image search, when searching for a logo on logoground through google image search, big portion of images on google search don't match the result when clicking on the image that takes me to logoground. For example, "spartan logoground", first results on the top of page, match the logo on logoground, but as you scroll down and click on different logos, those logos do not match the logos on logoground. Example: Found Spartan coffee logo on google image search, but when clicking on it, it takes me to a different spartan logo, that is not the logo on google search. How that works exactly, why that confusion happens. I know it is not just with logoground, it is same with other sites as well, but the reason why is that happening, I don't have any knowledge about it. Is it because of keywords, description, title, etc.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2018-02-17

@Eclipse42

Google indexes all images on a particular page. For a LogoGround logo page, this includes the main logo image on the top of a logo page, but also this includes the ten smaller similar logo images at the bottom of the page.

Since the similar logo images at the bottom of the page are generated dynamically by the LogoGround system and since they depend on ranking, these ten images will change overtime, therefore once in a while, following a Google Images link won't necessarily show you the expected logo page and some times the expected logo image won't even be listed within the smaller similar logo images.

A couple of solutions come to mind: You could set the exact size of the image search to 600x400 pixels to try to avoid the similar logo previews (which are 210x140 pixels). Or, you could go back and do a second Google Image search on the particular image you initially found to try to locate the actual logo page that way.

Hope this helps,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-02-17

Thank you Ortega Graphics, it definitely helps.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-05-22

Hello, before we talked about problem in keywords stallion, lion, for example. Well that problem is fixed when searching directly on logoground. But for example, when I type on google "lion logo for sale", first result is "Lion Logos - Logoground". When I click on that, same problem with keywords appear, search result gives bunch of logos with lions and horses because of the stallion keyword. Could that be fixed, that when coming from google search keyword "stallion" is removed from search result.
So in conclusion, problem is fixed when searching directly from logoground, but when getting there from google search result, that problem with keyword still exists. Thanks.



DESIGNER
Hiacynta
2018-05-22

Hello,

what do you think about separating words "monk" and "monkey"?
When I type "monk" it shows monkey logos, key logos and monk logos together.

The next word is "wind" and "windows".



ADMIN
ajleroux
2018-05-25

Many thanks for the feedback eclipse42 and Hiacynta.

eclipse42, I updated the site code and it looks better now. There will still be the occasional irrelevant result, but only when the designer enters irrelevant keywords. Problems like lion/stallion should not show up anymore.

Hiacynta, "monk" and "wind" fixed.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2018-05-25

Thanks ajleroux, problem is now mostly fixed I'd say, there is still few horse logos in results, but at least it is now 28 pages and not 40. On logoground when searching for lion there is 19 pages, so 28 is good, not a big deal.



DESIGNER
Kristina2912
2019-02-21

In my opinion, really need to separate such words as the crow, the crown. To not mislead buyers. I hope this will be useful.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2019-02-21

Hi Kristina2912,

Many thanks for reporting this. We made some changes and it should be a lot better now.



DESIGNER
Kristina2912
2019-02-22

Hi! Thanks you ajleroux! Yes, now really better!



DESIGNER
Zemfir
2019-02-22

Thank you guys for improving the service! :)
All the great sales!



DESIGNER
Kristina2912
2019-02-22

Thank you Zemfir! To you and all designers great success and excellent sales!



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2019-03-01

Hello ajleroux, could you make "train" "trains" separated keyword. Right now they are not separated from training, trainer, etc.. when searching for train it gives results of 14 pages, few of the logos are train logos..



ADMIN
ajleroux
2019-03-01

Many thanks eclipse42. Fixed.



DESIGNER
bildan02
2019-03-29

In same case when i search "bat" gives results of 8 pages, but only a few bat logos, can you fix it LogoGround? Thanks :)



DESIGNER
SKYWALKER
2019-03-30

eclipse42 you are superb!



ADMIN
ajleroux
2019-03-30

Many thanks bildan02. Fixed.



DESIGNER
Furqontino
2019-04-01

@ajleroux I see the approval submission ended about 1,5 hours ago,
my question is:
I upload a new logo just now, am I have to wait about 23 hours to see if my logo approved/declined?




ADMIN
ajleroux
2019-04-01

Hi Furqontino,

Yup, ±23 hours. Sometimes we work through all the pending logos more than once in 24 hours, but most of the time there is one review "session" per 24 hours.



DESIGNER
Furqontino
2019-04-01

@ajleroux OK, thanks for the information ;-)



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2019-04-24

Hi, ajleroux, could you fix these keywords:
key = monkey = hockey

Also I noticed that when I search logos on my profile, for example "key" logos, my results show me logos that are not related to that keyword nor have that keyword, so I noticed that it gave me those results because of "key" word in description. For example I have description saying piano keys, so when I search for "key" logos through my designer profile search query it shows me piano logo, because it has "keys" in description.

Should it work like that ?
Does searching for a logo from client's perspective, through logoground search box, gives them logos just because it had that word in description or a "word in a word" like my example of "key" as a keyword, and "keys" in description. Should searching for logos give results from words in description too or just from keywords?
Thanks.



DESIGNER
vianthedesigner
2019-04-24

@aclipse42, wow you're even doing research with the keywords yourself, but you're right, the algorithm might be affecting the probability of our logos to show up in the first search. But I think it's random (doesn't matter its old, new, or well-liked logos)



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2019-04-24

Hello,

Homonyms have always been an issue in all types of searches (even before the arrival of the web). Some homonym pairs are very obvious, some pairs are a bit more obscure; in any case, LogoGround clients are smart enough to ignore search results that don't match the meaning they intended. Here are three examples: A client looking for a logo for his rock band will ignore logos featuring spa stones. An automotive manufacturer looking for a logo featuring a metallic coil spring will ignore logos featuring flowers and meadows. A sports equipment distributor looking for a logo featuring a baseball bat will ignore logos featuring the nocturnal flying mammal.

Limiting the search to the keywords and ignoring the description won't solve the eternal problem with homonyms (or even the word-in-word problem).

The main issue is words that have nothing to do with the logo. It would be nice if the text fields could be visible in the community review, this way, the community could flag blatant irrelevant words.

On a side note, on the Search Statistics page, in general, it seems that clients look for three types of keywords:
1) The object, animal or color found on the logo (e.g., shield, lion, green, etc.)
2) The feeling, mood or emotion of the logo (e.g., luxury, unity, friendship, etc.)
3) The field, activity or industry of the logo (e.g., medicine, flooring, real estate, etc.)

By looking at that particular page, which shows the top 500 searches, it seems that the order above matches the distribution as well; the first type of keyword search seems to be the most popular one and the third seems to be the least popular. This probably means that for the most part, clients already have an idea of the kind of logo they want; most will search for the object/animal they already have in mind rather than doing a general search for the name of their industry. Obviously there are exceptions, but this is a general assumption based on an quick analysis on the list.

Therefore, even though it is a good idea to include a variety of relevant words, maybe designers should focus on the actual content of the logo rather than its interpretation or usage.

Plus, since interpretation is very subjective, it might not necessary match the client's point of view. Take into consideration that an apple, a crocodile and a gaming piece currently represent three famous companies: a computer company, a clothing company and a chain of pizzerias respectively (Apple, Lacoste and Domino's).

Just some thoughts,

Ortega Graphics



ADMIN
ajleroux
2019-04-24

Hi eclipse42,

Many thanks for the feedback.

I noticed that "key" and "keys" are already treated as separate keywords in the site search. If you search in your profile that's a different system and there you may still get inaccurate results for some searches.

I agree with Ortega Graphics, limiting the search to tags only won't solve the problem.

Ortega Graphics, now that the community review speed problem is solved we will look again at adding the text fields there so that reviewers can help spot problems in the text.


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