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Forum New: Violation Reports Democratized


ADMIN

ajleroux
2021-03-03
Edited 2021-03-03 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

When a logo is reported we now show those reports to Gold and Platinum level designers, who can vote to remove or to keep the reported logo. The goal is to make our responses to reports as fair and as accurate as we can possibly make them.

An admin will still make the final call, but will now take the (senior) community members' votes into account, just like we already do in community review.

You now have a Reports score, shown on your overview page and we added a Reports badge as well.

When you report a logo your name is shown only to admins, unless you include your name in the report itself in which case it will be visible to all.

If you reported a logo in the past and you were not satisfied with the admin's response you are more than welcome to report it again!

https://www.logoground.com/violations.php



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-03-03

Nice features. but when I click on reported designer name, it's directly open my own page, it should be reported designer page, right? is it a bug?

Regards,



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-03

Wow :)
LG really is becoming a go-to place for selling logos, you guys sure know how to get people involved with this site. Every update is like a present.
Thank you.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-03

AreksaDesign, thanks for catching that. It should work correctly now.

Many thanks kassymkulov. :)



DESIGNER
Najmiadzarsyah
2021-03-03

Hy @ajleroux, Happy to know that there is an improvement, I have a question, is every logo that is reported showing the source of the logo which is said to be similar to the owner of the logo that was reported?



DESIGNER
Najmiadzarsyah
2021-03-03

I mean that the source can be known or seen by the owner of the logo that was reported



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-03

Hi Najmiadzarsyah,

Yes, that is part of this update, but not implemented yet. We want to test drive this new system for a few days before we change the notifications shown to the affected designers.



DESIGNER
korzuen
2021-03-03

Nice. Just tried it out. It works out great. Now we get to experience how hard it is to pass a judgement whether there are enough similarities between the two logo.



DESIGNER
Najmiadzarsyah
2021-03-03

Ok, thank @ajleroux. That mean may be an opportunity for the logo owner to appeals, right ?



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-03

korzuen, yup, it's a tough job! :)

Najmiadzarsyah, we may create the option to appeal in the future, but currently that's not high on our to-do list. With the way the system is set up now we receive opinions from many designers and we have an admin that makes the final call. An appeal would just go back to the same admin, who will probably reach the same conclusion.



DESIGNER
Najmiadzarsyah
2021-03-03

Nice, thanks ajleroux..



DESIGNER
Furqontino
2021-03-03

Nice ☺
This feature makes me feel comfortable taking the time to see new logos every day , because ... we now know what we have to do in a simpler way when we see piracy logos



DESIGNER
ava_nauval
2021-03-03

I hope there is a choice between "Not similar enough" and "It's too similar": D

that is
*It's similar

Because "it's too similar" was bit extreme...

Overall this feature looks great!



DESIGNER
rasagama
2021-03-03

wow, Just impressed with the new features, very helpful.
this is called people power *cheers

thanks LG for treating your resources so well.
well done team



DESIGNER
taufikasyari
2021-03-03

Nice features. Unfortunately I cannot use this yet :D



DESIGNER
ProffAlice
2021-03-03

I think it's nice, because we can maintain the reputation, not only the good reputation of LG, but also the designers personally,

so that the client is satisfied and does not feel worried if they will buy the logo,

and I think maintaining LG's reputation is the our responsibility as a provider of logos at LG.

sorry if I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.



DESIGNER
korzuen
2021-03-03

I am agreeing with @ava_nauval . Unless this is on purposed to only penalize logo that has an obvious similarity



DESIGNER
Nawa
2021-03-03

Wow..such a great improve...



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

Hello everyone! Maybe it's not bad that everything is filmed unilaterally, which violates the principles of democracy. Anyway. There are tons of questions. How the upload date will be tracked, where is the guarantee that the logo, on the contrary, is not copied. And no one comes up with anything new, all this is a remake, which is based on the past experience of sales, if it is a lion's head, then it will remain a lion's head, it remains only to judge to what extent it is similar.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-04

@Valentinedesign
Upload date is taken into consideration.
No matter what designers think, it's still admin's call. I have some logos that I reported but were not removed.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-04

I like the 'done-time-for-beer' icon at the end of the list of reported logos.



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

Very, very good idea! Voting systems work well in the contest sites. Copying issues can be tough to resolve so these opinions can be very helpful.

Possible ideas of improving it:

1. Reported logo should be anonymous. Just like in the review section of LG.

2. I would like to see one more option: "Too similar concept". Sometimes logos are different but the concept is so similar and so uncommon it deserves to be protected.

3. We could get some form of feedback about final decision. It would encourage us to go on and also would teach us of what is accepted on LG and what;s not. Even platinum designers can have very different ideas on copyrights. The feedback could come in a form of "Reviewed Cases" tab. We could see there recent, final verdicts for some limited time like a week or so.

4. Optional comment to explain our stance - just like it is in the Logo Reviews.



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

That's right, both the plaintiff and the defendant must be present in the court. The point of view of one, this is just a subjective point of view, and the opinion of the jury, this is an objective decision with which it is difficult to argue. In my opinion, such things need to be decided on the forums, or in separate chats (the designer's court). Moreover, this policy will lead to an outflow of new designers, because all forces are thrown into the fight against newcomers. I am sure it would be more effective to start fighting with ourselves, I am talking about this because I observed the following. The designer sells the logo, further pursuing his mercantile interests, he simply makes the same concept, sometimes just turning it into reverse. This is unfortunate. Imagine the client's surprise when he discovers the same logo, from the same designer, but with minor changes. Or a new client will look at the portfolio and see that the same logo has been sold more than once. Maybe this will be the last nail in the coffin lid? Indeed, wouldn't this be a reason to eliminate competitors, as ava_nauval said?



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-03-04

Great addition. I would like to have a comment section, as I saw a peacock logo and wanted to write what exactly was same, in this case head and chest part, but did not have anywhere to write it. Maybe it is good to have it as simple as possible, just to check if it is similar or not, however the comment section would be nice.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

This is a very nice feature!

But... I have a complaint about the decisions of the administration, some of the complaints filed.
I often observe how some designers copy the ideas of authors who have already published their works for sale.
The execution is the same, with minor changes. The colors, idea, and execution style are copied.
The administration gives a standard response:

"Thank you for reporting a logo on LogoGround.com. We have reviewed this case and although we agree that the idea is similar, an idea cannot be protected by copyright, only the execution of an idea. Comparing these two logos we felt that the execution is different enough that both can be separately trademarked and can therefor be allowed on LogoGround. To submit additional information for our review you are welcome to report the same logo again and include the additional information."

I agree that the idea is not copyrighted, but... the implementation of the copied idea may be different.
Do not forget that all designers sell their logos on the same site Logoground and the appearance of a logo on sale, which repeats the idea of another logo and also its cost is lower than the original idea, creates a bad situation on the trading floor.

If there is one logo that copies completely someone else's idea (idea, color, style), then several more similar works will be added, then how will our site look in the eyes of the buyer???
That is, the buyer will find his logo, but he will not be satisfied with the price and he will continue his search in the hope of finding something similar, but cheaper?
Then there is no question of any exclusivity of logos on sale.
I hope you understand what I'm talking about.

I repeat that copying an idea can be different both in essence and in implementation.
For example, to repeat the idea with the image of a winged lion, this is not prohibited. But if this winged lion in the original, has wings and performs some unique action (it has 8 paws and waves them like its wings), then the repetition of such a thing should be excluded.
Especially when the idea, color and style of execution are repeated.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@sculptor

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that attribution should be excluded (anonymity).
Conversely. This fact gives other designers a reason to check the account that the complaint was filed against, and perhaps there you can find more violations and add your own claims.

Also, for those newcomers to design who do not understand what copyright is and can not be violated, the fact that his name will be noticed by other participants and they will make a decision on his work will give him a reason to seriously think about what is not worth copying someone else's.

@Valentinedesign
Don't worry about the influx of new designers.
Because recently, this new influx consists not of designers, but of those who suddenly decided that they are a designer.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

I really like the new feature!
You don't need to change anything in it.
The only thing that would be worth adding is the ability to leave comments from yourself.



DESIGNER
ava_nauval
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by ava_nauval permalink ANCHOR

@Valentinedesign

I see what you have to say but eliminating competitors? Those are really harsh words. You have misunderstood me and my words. If you say I'm trying to get rid of that competitor is like saying the same thing to the other senior designers here. I know you are not new to the world of design but you speak as if you are an old person at LG. Stop complaining! LG has a lot of strict regulations but it is not formed by one-two person. Take some time to look at the rules here and try to adapt.

Do you have a lot of suggestions? Please write it down politely!



DESIGNER
logosaida
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by logosaida permalink ANCHOR

Great idea!
Thanks for improvements Andre!
Someone reported my design: https://www.logoground.com/uploads9/dv9y2021124112021-03-032760340Poseidon.jpg

to this sculpture: https://im0-tub-com.yandex.net/i?id=a6631bf2f78c119a1542bca7a8b45dd1&n=13

Logo stylized from this sculpture:
https://imgur.com/a/YANuFVf

I want know, we are designers we Can`t stylize arts for logo from sculptures ?
I really want know opinions. I don`t think that is plagiarism.
But your opinions will help me clarify this situation.

Thanks



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@Logosaida
In fact, you repeated the work of the sculptor, but in a graphic version. This repetition is quite accurate (body pose, clothing, trident).
You can use the sculpture as a reference for your work, but you have to apply some changes to it.
For example, change your posture or add a sword to your hand instead of a trident.
In general, there should be something that will not be clearly similar to the original work of the sculptor.



DESIGNER
logosaida
2021-03-04

@Dmitriy Dzendo,
Thank you, I’ll take note, I can’t disagree. It's just that sometimes there is a very thin line between what can be considered plagiarism and what cannot be considered as such.
I'll keep it on mind!



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@Logosaida
Your work is not considered plagiarism, but you don't want the ghost of this sculptor to come to you at night and swear angrily at you. lol :)



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by Valentinedesign permalink ANCHOR

Dmitriy Dzendo
Yes, you are right, especially if designer registered and all the achievements, these are several sales, so to speak, buried talent in the ground.



DESIGNER
MonGE Designs
2021-03-04

Love this! great addition.



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

ava_nauval I do not have a habit of complaining, consider that I said everything myself, if it is better for you, I will not be silent, the forum was invented in order to communicate and express my opinion, so I want all opinions to be taken into account. And about the fact that I misunderstood you, it means that Korzuen did not understand too, at least he wrote it. But you did not say a word to him, again a biased attitude towards other authors, or a newbie?I did not say that you are trying to get rid of competitors, you read everything between the lines, but I said where is the guarantee that someone will not take advantage of the situation.



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
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DESIGNER
ava_nauval
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by ava_nauval permalink ANCHOR

@valentine

I do not understand what you mean about Korzuen. He hasn't offended me about anything but I see you have clearly offended me with false accusations based on the opinion I spoke of on other topics before. And I see that as a problem. I'm not acting that I'm superior and playing with personality. It's just your negative viewpoint, you don't like hearing dishonest opinions and you feel disgusted by differences in status. Besides, if I don't want a competitor why would I want to help people improving their logos. Isn't it better if I focus on taking care of my own business?



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

ava_nauval
Man, I'm not trying to offend or accuse you of something, I think you are trying to attack me, thereby saying that there is no place for newcomers on the forum. I'm not a proud person, I still try to express my opinion, whether someone likes it or not.
https://prnt.sc/10cvkeu



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by Valentinedesign permalink ANCHOR

ava_nauval
You must understand that it's not about you at all, about discussing the system as a whole, if I offend you in any way, I apologize.
Don't take it personally, I didn't want to hurt you, my plans include only to be heard

For help with the logo, a special thank you very much!



DESIGNER
ava_nauval
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by ava_nauval permalink ANCHOR

@valentine

Neither do I, man. I'm not explicitly saying that you're not worthy to compete, am I. Please noted, not everyone likes it when their name are used in forums only being discredited. What you have said to me is a distortion of the facts. I hate it. At least if you believe so, don't mention my name in any forum. And I also want to apologize if I have made you think that I discriminated against young designer here. Well, my words are harsh from time to time, but the intention only motivates them to try harder. People who only have negative feeling only think about giving up quickly when they first got here.

No problem :)



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by Dmitriy Dzendo permalink ANCHOR

@Valentinedesign
Do you even understand what it means to copy an idea!?
Why the hell do you give my work as an example and advise me to pay attention to myself first?
In the image of the camera, there is no borrowed idea. A camera is a camera.
The display style of this camera is the same and that's it!
This style is not a personal style of Sergey Kovalenko.

Or that in your opinion it turns out that in this style, it is now impossible to portray the camera?

https://take.ms/m0Pxd
Here is my logo and my personal camera, which I took a photo of on my mobile phone in order to draw it.

This point has nothing to do with your statement.



DESIGNER
korzuen
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by korzuen permalink ANCHOR

I don't think anonymity of the reported logo would work because we can easily use the reverse image search.

I do agree that we need a comment section there, where reviewers can read the previous note given by earlier reviewers. Still what LG had done is an awesome improvement.

@Valentinedesign no one is eliminating anyone here. We are all friendly over, so everyone need to stop being hostile to one another. Plagiarism is an old debatable topic, every designer set their own "line" on how much can you be inspired by other design. The comment you quoted is me agreeing with @ava on this "I hope there is a choice between "Not similar enough" and "It's too similar"" but maybe its was done on purpose so designer only persecuted logo that obviously and clearly copying another rather than punishing a logo that "maybe" has some similarities.

Thank you for putting the picture side by side, it clearly show that @Dmitriy did not copy it.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

Valentinedesign,

You should take the time to carefully read the forum rules. The rules indicate: "Discussing another designer or commenting on their work is only allowed if the designer invited comments". You should edit your post that violates this rule; in any case, such post are usually edited by the admin. See: https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=6


Logosaida,

Concerning photographs used as the basis for a logo design, you must own the copyright of any photograph that you trace or that you use as a very precise model; using someone else's photograph will infringe the copyright of the original photographer. Equally important, you must investigate the current status of any sculpture, art piece, building, etc. before using it on a logo, many will require permission from the owner.


Hope this helps,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

ava_nauval
Everything is fine! Respect for the forum participants is everyone's prerogative. PS. I have no dislike or negativity, I am always calm, and act in cold blood, it helps to collect my thoughts :)



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
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DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
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DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

Valentinedesign,

You said that you have read the rules. If so, then you should read them again carefully; take your time.

If the forum rules are not clear to you, then you should start a new topic requesting clarification of said rules.

Hope this helps,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@Valentinedesign

Collect your thoughts! I don't think you read the rules very well.
Personally, I did not give you the right to publish an example of my work and also comment on it.
Given that you have no idea what exactly is a copy of the idea and what is not, then you should not start this conversation at all.

I noticed that you misunderstand and read the messages of other designers. You immediately perceive everything negatively, as if it is specifically about you. But this is not the case.
When I wrote about the newcomers who have registered on the site, I meant those who really do not know how to do anything. It had nothing to do with you.

Now that you've given me an absolutely ill-founded example of my work and given me advice to look after myself first. Thus, you have already caused my negative reaction to what is happening.

I believe you are still young and very ambitious.



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
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DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
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DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04
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DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

Dmitry, I appreciate your attempt to say that you said in general, in the future it is better not to assume that there is no embarrassment, but to rely on reliable information. Respect.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@Valentinedesign

I can see that you are really very concerned about the status that you have now "novice" and the status of other designers who are higher than yours.
I'll explain it to you more clearly:
The status of a designer on the Logoground website does not make it the best in the world. This is only the status on a specific site., nothing more.

You are misreading and misinterpreting the messages of other forum members. Thus, you create a negative attitude towards yourself.

You draw conclusions that have no logical basis.

No one here has hurt you or tried to hurt you.

There is no humiliation of new designers here.
You had no problem getting help from other platinum-rated designers to fix your logo, which was not accepted before. And personally, I gave you a piece of advice that you successfully used in your work.

Yes. Attention to new designers is always more intense, but it is also logical. Because no one knows the new designer yet (if he is not well-known) and no one can guarantee that this new designer is not a fraudster who is looking for easy money.

I feel that you want to declare yourself as a worthy designer in advance. So prove it!



DESIGNER
WelySuganda
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by WRSSID permalink ANCHOR

@ajleroux

https://www.logoground.com/uploads9/dv9y20211163232021-01-053792234ISOMETRIC-PIXEL-H.jpg

I want to ask a little, this logo was accepted, but now it is rejected, but I don't get a reason and notification or there is no notification?

I also got information from other designers, the reason for rejecting this logo might be because of my other logo on SB, but I already deleted my logo on SB, before this logo was rejected? is this logo refundable for re-acceptance, or should I remove it from here

thank you



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@Valentinedesign

"Dmitry became an unwitting example, but this is all from his bad joke."

What kind of example have I become??? What are you talking about?
You've proved absolutely nothing.
Your screenshot example has nothing to do with your attempt to prove that all designers are equal and can make mistakes.
My logo was placed here, when I was still in the status of a beginner on the Logoground. Therefore, do not write that if a newbie did it, he would immediately be banned.

Do you even know who first used this style in logo design? It was Yuri Gal (Yuri Galitsyn).
Maybe you will write a letter with a complaint that Sergey Kovalenko, whose work you showed as an example, took the idea of performing the logo from Yuri Gal.

In general, you should not try to accuse someone of false assumptions, if you do not really understand it.



DESIGNER
WelySuganda
2021-03-04

@ajleroux

3 days ago I lost 1 of my logos, I thought it was reported so I just let it go, but it looks like it's different because my recently reported logo still exists even though it was rejected



DESIGNER
Valentinedesign
2021-03-04

Dmitriy
I do not want to prove to anyone, thank God, everything is fine, but I have my own views on logos, they have their customers, I am looking for new horizons. I do not want to find out who is right or wrong. I want equal rights for all participants, sooner or later maybe I will reach the next rank (maybe not), that's not the point. Right now I see your kindness, here it is not easy for a beginner to succeed, especially if your nickname does not flash on the Internet. So why complicate things, someone wants to drink beer and remove logos, you think about how it sounds. You just had to make a postscript, don't take it personally and that's it. Don't bother, you have good logos. So my opinion will not change anything, everything has already been decided, I just have to accept it, at least I have expressed myself.



DESIGNER
WelySuganda
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by WRSSID permalink ANCHOR

This is a nice feature, I hope I can see how it looks soon, it's nice to read from above, but it looks like it's a bit hot right now.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-03-04

@Valentinedesign

What an inflated self-esteem you have.
Sorry, but the fact that my logos are not bad, this is not news to me.
The more serious the person to whom you make a claim, the more serious the consequences can be, especially when your claim is not justified.

You absolutely thoughtlessly used my logo as an example, which earned my complete disrespect for you.
Everyone can have their own views on logos, but if these views are not backed up by a lot of experience and professionalism, then these views and opinions have absolutely no value.

Experienced designers on Logogrond quickly get high statuses. They are professionals and this is not a problem for them.

A beginner who does not know much and does not have enough experience, it is difficult to break through everywhere, not only here. This is the law of life.
There are no examples in life where, for example, an inexperienced beginner does something better than a professional. If you are a beginner, then you need to learn, and learning is always difficult.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

Valentinedesign, I removed several of your posts and suspended your ability to post on the forum.
Kindly read the forum rules again. https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=6



DESIGNER
mk4gfx
2021-03-04

I absolutely love all the new interactive features you guys are releasing, Makes it fun to check the website everday.
Thank you!



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-04

Gamification at its best. :)



DESIGNER
aefirit
2021-03-04

Amazing feature! :D OMG I love it, I think is perfect :D LG one more time demostrating its potential and its interest in protecting our rights. Thanks to all the staff that make it possible and specially to ajlroux.

This new feature will protect us and make us feel safer and more confident. This will improve the report system, will motivate us to report; This also will be a punish to those who like to steal designs, this will be a new wall for thieves, they will think twice before copy someone's else work. I'm happy that the name of the accused is displayed in the report, I think it's fair.

Also, thank you ajleroux for suspend this spammer user :)

Blessings



DESIGNER
aefirit
2021-03-04

mk4gfx, CrossTheLime, I totally agree :D I think this is not just a solution to the problem, but a great, creative way to do it :D LG make it totally interactive, simple and enjoyable, it's like a game.



DESIGNER
guirre
2021-03-04

Perfect! @ajleroux

They have carried out two really necessary actions: the one of the thread subject, and the one of the suspension of the user. It was time.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

Many thanks for the feedback! :)

Dmitriy Dzendo, that's a fair point about people re-using ideas. If the new design reads more like a variation of the original, it should be removed.

The challenge is knowing where to draw the line. When does a logo that is inspired by another logo qualify as different enough? I don't think there can be one answer. Each case is different and no two designers will draw the line in exactly the same place - which is why I think the voting system is good. We should not have just one or two admins drawing the line.



DESIGNER
ryndesign
2021-03-04

LG really is becoming a go-to my place for selling logos, I hope we can always provide good benefits for LG
Thank you.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-04
Edited 2021-03-04 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

Sculptor, many thanks for the suggestions.

1. I don't see the benefit of making it anonymous, and it would be easy for reviewers to find the logo and its author on LG. We might as well make it easier. :)

2. I think the "Too similar concept" option is covered by the "Too similar" option. I'm sure reviewers will be able to tell when a too similar concept is the reason for the report, and I assume they'll know to use the "Too similar" option.

3. Yes, we'll soon have an archive showing past reports and the outcomes.

4. Yes, the ability to include comments is something we will add in the future. Added to the to-do list.



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-05
Edited 2021-03-05 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

Ajelroux, You're welcome. Thanks for the answer.

1. To paraphrase your quote: I don't see any benefits of making it not anonymous. If someone wants to take a time and search for the author let him do it. Certainly it won't be me. I believe there is a good reason Justice is blindfolded.

2. That's true that "too similar" includes the "too similar concept". Proposed distinction comes from my fear that my judgment can influence the ban of someone who does not deserve it. Copying concepts seems to me a lesser sin than literary copying logos.

Today, when I checked two new Violation Reports one more doubt came to my mind. I realized that we can automatically presume that logo in the link is older - which doesn't have to be true. Actually I could make this mistake yesterday - I don't remember if I checked the dates. This confusion can result in a bad misjudgment. My proposition:

Whenever anybody during reviews of violations spots that linked logo is younger he should be able to freeze this particular report.

Also, do you know how to check Shutterstock logo publication date? I couldn't find it in today's case.





DESIGNER
mk4gfx
2021-03-05

@aefirit,
yes, it's great!

@ajleroux,
just letting you know that on smaller displays, there's a slightly wider gap before the recently added "Reports score" on the overview page
https://i.imgur.com/sI4K3Fd.jpg



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-05

I understand why @Sculptor has some concerns. I think that contra-reports are coming. Because somebody is reported, the reported person can searching for logos to report. And try to find something to report.



DESIGNER
morabira
2021-03-05
Edited 2021-03-05 by morabira permalink ANCHOR

Some of logos on LG might be older because it perhaps first used on contest site. If these logos are reported, did the reported designer are given some time to search for their old contest link and are provided some way to prove their innocent before the vote is running?



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-05

Another point I would like to point out is the following.
When I research a reported logo, I first go and find out what I can find online. One of the recently reported logos was not found via Google / Yandex.

The tricky part is that (when it comes to date stamp) we can only orientate ourselves on LG's date stamp. What if the logo has already appeared online before (so before placement on LG) and a copy has been made of it by a copycat and placed on Adobe stock, for example.

Example:
1) Original logo design on site AAA (05-01-2021)
2) Copy made by copycat on site BBB (03-02-2021)
3) Original logo placed on LG (06-02-2021)

If you know points 1) and 2), a report may be unreasonable. The original came first.
Where what now, if you are assessed on the basis of facts 2) and 3) and do not know point 1) Then the reported logo would be considered a copy.

So because of missing information (because it is not accurately displayed during search or simply cannot be found with reverse image search), a logo is reported incorrectly. We as LG community can also have a logo removed incorrectly due to missing information.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-05
Edited 2021-03-05 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

@Brandmaistro, yes, LogoGround users reviewing violation reports might be missing information about logos on other sites; but the LogoGround admins should have all the required information because of the note added to the LogoGround designer's account, as explained on the logos-on-other-sites page and therefore, in those cases, admins will see the original date stamp and make an informed decision. https://www.logoground.com/logos-on-other-sites.php



DESIGNER
gagavastard
2021-03-05

@sculptor
to check a release date on shutterstock image, you can go to this page
http://m-rank.net/?lang=en
and put an image id on search bar
here is a sample of the result
http://m-rank.net/?search=1703747821



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-06

Gagavastard, Thank you for your info. However I don't know how to use it. I don't have an account on Shutterstock and I can't find the way to see logo id. They display some adds instead.

Also, I don't understand what http://m-rank.net/?lang=en has to do with Shutterstock. Is information from them reliable?



DESIGNER
Fbastiart
2021-03-06

Too late, but an appreciation for your work and lg team!
Keep it up!


Regards,



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-06

Hi Sculptor,

Fair point about justice being blind. On the other hand, knowing who the designer is may also be useful here, so that his/her history may influence the vote. For example if the reported designer is someone known to have a long and good track record on LogoGround, it would be good to take that into account. And there are cases where it is the same designer posting on multiple sites, where we need the designer's details in order to make the right call.

I think we should keep it like this for now. We always have the option to remove the designer details in the future if necessary.

No need to worry about undeserved bans. We make very sure. If there is even the slightest doubt we will instead limit the account while we talk to the designer.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-06

mk4gfx, many thanks. Fixed.

Brandmaistro, that happens sometimes, but as pointed out by Ortega Graphics, admins would know about site AAA in your example. That's why we ask designers to contact support and provide links to other sites where they publish their logos.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-06

Gagavastard,

Thank you for sharing that page; it will be very useful.


Sculptor,

To answer your questions: The main purpose for the m-rank page is to provide private statistical data for Shutterstock users with vectors on the top 100k on Shutterstock; for this, m-rank is using the Shutterstock API (application programming interface) to access public/private Shutterstock metadata; therefore, the information is reliable. For LG users, the approval date of a Shutterstock submission is public data; therefore, you do not need a Shutterstock account to use that page for that specific purpose. Also, to use m-rank, you can find the logo ID on the page of any Shutterstock vector, but you don't need the ID, m-rank also accepts the URL of the Shutterstock vector as input. The owners of m-rank are paying Shutterstock to use their API, this is why m-rank relies on ads to provide this service.


Hope this helps,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-03-06

i found some of the logo had take inspiration from another logo, eg. using same concept of an animal with line style in similar pose, but i believe style, pose, and animal can't be claimed to one party. Can someone enlighten me?



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-06
Edited 2021-03-06 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

Ajleroux, I agree that when judging designer's ethic and deciding about possible ban his/her history is key. However (looks like my favorite word recently) we - platinum designers - don't judge ethics of our colleagues but rather asses the level of similarity between logos. As I understand, we do it to protect LG clients. We want them to buy original designs. The fact that similar logo comes from top designer with great record shouldn't obscure the fact that it's too similar to design that was published before. You, LG staff should be interested to learn about our unbiased opinions about similarity of the logos. The fact that we know the authors doesn't make it easier.

I also wouldn't like to see situation where established designers can push serial, repetitive logos and they can get away with it becasue they are highly accomplished. This doesn't look fair to me.

Ortega, thank you. I managed to find logo id at the end of Shutterstock address. When I pasted it into m-rank search box (my example - 1526858192 ) I got: "Nothing similar has been found in the top100k vectors on Shutterstock.
If it is work then approved 2019.10.10 (513 days ago)"

I still don't understand why Shutterstock makes it so hard to find the date. Looks kind of shady business.

Edit: I also don't see dates on Dribble. And, what can I say about Youtube avatar publishing date? I'm helpless...



DESIGNER
korzuen
2021-03-06

@sculptor , you can see the dates on dribble by clicking the "i" icon on the right showing the "shot details" which include date it is posted. But still I'm in the same situation where I had to research a bit just to see which image is published first. I wish designer would include such details in the their violation report and not just reporting it based on logo similarities alone.



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-07

Thank you Korzuen, it works!



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-09
Edited 2021-03-09 by Brandmaistro permalink ANCHOR

For some reason, I feel that this new feature is reason to target specific designers. Is it just me who thinks that a personal vendetta plays a role in certain reports? I don't know the backgrounds, but I just noticed ...

Could it be that if someone has reported a logo for no personal reason, somebody isn't okay with that and he/she who reported the initial logo comes under fire and an explicit search is made for similar logos from the reporter? (kind of: 'An eye for an eye'... Because there is ALWAYS to find a logo that has some resemblance (even is it very minimal or a shitty similarity).

Those were my 2 cents.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-09

So far, I found most of the reports I saw baseless. You might argue that some are generic, but that is not my place to decide - admin decided to list that logo, so that decision has been made.

The rest is ridiculous. Oh no, Ts in a circle, that has never been done before!



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-09
Edited 2021-03-09 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

The way it works, you see someone report someone, you check that someone's profile and also find something :) Generic logos do get approved from time to time, it's just that admins do not decline them unless reverse search finds anything (that is how you prove something to be generic, just thinking or feeling that it is won't work), and reverse search is far from perfect in our time.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-09

Brandmaistro, we will keep an eye on it. We have seen only a small increase in reported logos since introducing this system a week ago. There were almost as many daily violation reports before, when only admins could access them.

I don't mind more reports. I think it is to everyone's benefit, making it even less likely than before that copied logos will survive on LogoGround.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-09

I agree. But I see that a handful (less that that) of designers are reported almost daily. That's what I mean with 'a personal vendetta' between designers. That's what this new feature can cause. That there is a public tool to 'frame' people...

But it has also benefits. We now can see designer are copying their own work. Right now (don what to mention names) a 'real estate' minded logo is re-used, with just a slightly change (it's about a few pixels/anchorpoints more).



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-03-09

Brandmaistro
That 'real estate' logo, I report that logo. Just very small change. But Why did it pass the admin review? I hope this doesn't happen again.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-09

Because admin does not automatically check every logo the designer has?

*cough* Both official LG accounts had a bunch of old logos with reused elements, not so long ago.



DESIGNER
NTHNLM
2021-03-09

LG just getting better and better everytime :)



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-09

@AreksaDesign

I think it wasn't uploaded at the same date (thought it was weeks/months between those two). Maybe they missed it or didn't recognize it was 'two of a kind'.
After all we are all humans (except maybe a few strange individuals perhaps).



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-09
Edited 2021-03-09 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

Because admin(s) are allowed to make mistakes, just like everybody else. I can't imagine how I would maintain this website with so many submissions :)



DESIGNER
morabira
2021-03-09

Someone should invent BOT that can crawl entire LG looking for similar design.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-10

Since I had a logo removed now, too. :D :D :D I totally need to dedicate a day and report half of the site.... man...



DESIGNER
Arcello Studio
2021-03-10

LG just getting better and better everytime, I love it.



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-03-10

Brandmaistro and kasymkulov

Yeah.. I agree with u two. But do you know? Someone use that "real estate" logo on 99d today. Exact same logo. :D

CrossTheLime
Really? Which logo??



DESIGNER
ALPHA LeadR
2021-03-10

Hi guys, don't know if this has been answered though tried to read some posts in this quite long thread... may i know if there's a limit on the number of reporting per day?



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-10

AlphaL, I don't think so but I was thinking about it as well. For now most reports seem to me dubious or baseless. Introducing some systematic way of dealing with reporting abuse could fix that of course.

Side note: LG is governed more and more by sophisticated algorythmes. That's the natural process of doing this kind of business but layers after layers of programmatic solutions can lead to unexpected outcomes. I admire Ajelroux for his perseverance in making this site better and I wish him good health to carry on as he seems to be the only one who can control all this pile of code.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-10

Many thanks Sculptor. :)

ALPHA LeadR, there is no limit and I don't think there can be one. If a designer sees 20 of his/her logos used without permission on LogoGround, we want them to be able to report all of them. We don't need 20 reports as we would probably close the copycat's account after the first report, but we can't limit someone who is exercising their legal right as copyright holder.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-10
Edited 2021-03-10 by CrossTheLime permalink ANCHOR

I am guessing most reports aren’t dmcas, though, but us policing the site?

I probably just have lower standards. :)

As in, I know the legal guidelines, and do not expect a ready-made logo site to be the epiphany of unique works of award-winning branding. For $200.

Concepts cannot be protected. The implementation is protected.

That is why all the reports of geometric or letter logos make no sense. You cannot reinvent the wheel.

You can basically delete half the site if the legal standards aren’t considered high enough. I know the argument is often “could it be trademarked”, but 2/3 of the site could not be trademarked as a stand-alone icon, no matter what.

Personally, I do object to some forms of flattery, and very much to direct copies and stock.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-10

I want to point out there is a designer that is a kind of frustrated. because he/she is typing large comments in the 'report copy page'. Not because of a copy, but because of the fact he/she have some doubt about the uniqueness of logo. I don't think it is the right place to ask people to report/review logos that seems to be not-unique-ish.

I understand we have the right to report or at least ask questions about a low quality logo. But a few logos that were reported were not these bottom-line logos. We have thousands of these generic logos. They aren't that bad, but some are just better.

There is no button for that type of reports.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-10

Yeah, I don’t really want to see reports for logos being generic. That is a decision LG makes when publishing them. Not me to second-guess that initial judgment.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-10

Exactly. It's about copyright issues and similar logos. Not to report logos that you don't like.
But it's a new chapter and every new change ask for a good balance.



DESIGNER
ALPHA LeadR
2021-03-10

Thanks @ajleroux... i understand your point there...



DESIGNER
ALPHA LeadR
2021-03-10

I agree with @Cross and @Brand



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-10
Edited 2021-03-10 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

Ajleroux,

As it has been indicated above, there are some unnecessary reports based on taste; they don't contain a link and they are very subjective.

Currently, when reporting a logo, the user is presented with three options: 1) Copyright violation, 2) Offensive/inappropriate content, and 3) Other. Maybe there could be a fourth option: Logo not on standard, Low quality, Aesthetically unpleasant, or something along those lines. Maybe then, those subjective reports could be shown to the admins only. Then the logos with real objective issues (e.g., copyright infringement) could be shown to the community.

Just some thoughts,

Ortega Graphics



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-10

I think we should allow reports about subjective/quality issues. It may be somewhat unnecessary because we already collectively approved the logo through community review, but if someone feels strongly enough about a logo to take the time to report it I think we might as well take a look.

And it is better if we take a collective look, rather than just admins, because the more subjective it is the more likely a jury will do a better job than one person.

Something to keep in mind here is the date of publication. Many logos approved many years ago would not be approved now. I'm in favor of "cleaning up", but we should not be very aggressive in retroactively applying quality requirements. We would not want the logos we are uploading now to be culled 10 years from now. Ideally logos approved here can stay as long as they like, with the algorithm taking care of rankings - which will favor newer, better logos.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-12
Edited 2021-03-12 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

Today, I saw a logo that was sold which was a concept and was similar to the logo that was already on Logoground

But I don't want to show it.

"just my personal"



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-03-12

yaravisualdesign

If you saw similar logo here, just report it.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-12
Edited 2021-03-12 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

@AreksaDesign

only just my opinion personal.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-12

@Yaravisualdesign, if you took the time to mention what you saw here in the forum, then you have the time to report it officially. You said it is not your business (not your concern), but it is your duty to make this website a better place by helping the admins. A report will not necessarily have a negative impact on the reported user; the community will take a look (and vote) and then, the admins will have the final word. By helping the website, you are also helping yourself; this is because you will help to make this website a better place, which in turn, attracts more clients, which in turn will benefit you in the long run. Win-win. Therefore, it is your concern. Think about it.



DESIGNER
Hamra Design
2021-03-12

I agree with you Ortega



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-03-12

yaravisualdesign,
You must be more excited. I also started getting excited again.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-12

I would love an overview page where a tiny tiny preview of the logo is shown, or blurred for all I care, with outcome.

I am just curious if my personal opinion is correct or not.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-12
Edited 2021-03-12 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

@Ortega Graphic

Yes i want to see this site better.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-12

@Yaravisualdesign, yes you can; you can report a sold logo. If a client purchased a logo that infringes someone else's copyright, then this should definitely be investigated. If in fact there was a violation, then that client will be contacted for a refund, this has happened recently: https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=3198



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-12
Edited 2021-03-12 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

@Ortega Graphics

Thanks for solutions ur give me information not argue.

I think the logo that has been sold cannot be reported.

sorry I didn't mean to make the bad discussion / debate here, but I noticed something was wrong.

but there are some people who seem to think negatively about sensitive topics .

Many Thanks. @Ortega Graphics


@Crossthelime

XD ur right dude.....

@AreksaDesign

Okay dude......



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-12

Hi yaravisualdesign,

If a sold logo is potentially a copyright violation you can and should report it. Sometimes it is simply a case of the buyer using the logo they bought and then it looks like the designer copied it from the buyer, but we will investigate and if it is a copyright violation we want to arrange a refund for the client as soon as possible.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-12

@ajleroux

Hi to, aljeroux

well next time I will learn to report if something goes wrong, thank you admin & friends for reminding me. :)



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-12

yaravisualdesign, no problem. :)

Getting back to this logo, if you can find it again I'd appreciate it if you report it. Or send me the link if you prefer and I will take a look.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-14
Edited 2021-03-14 by Brandmaistro permalink ANCHOR

I realized it isn’t that to mention the name of the designer who report a logo?



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-15

@Brandmaistro - that would just start a wave of revenge reports.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-15
Edited 2021-03-15 by Brandmaistro permalink ANCHOR

Yes I realized that too. But... (and that was the reason to discuss it) it also prevent people to over-report logos and focus on people, just to find something, even if it doesn’t look the same for 0,01%. I see too many reported logos that doesn’t make sense. Trying to make a claim without any logic.

When they are unknown then it can be also pretty easy to over-report of make claims, made by ‘human behaviour’ and personal reasons. If it is a good reason then why should you do this secretly?

So yes, it has both sides with pros and cons. Everything is based on trust. You should always overthink your actions and the consequences is has. But does everybody do this?



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-15

When you make baseless reports at 99d, you eventually get a threatening “if you continue to abuse the report system, you will be banned” message.

I looooooove getting that one. :) Especially since I usually get it when support is unable to open my link or something dumb. I have a 97% rate of successful reports, so...

The reports so far on here are mostly dumb. Just ranging from extremely dumb (oh look, it is the letter A, that is the same!) to somewhat dumb (as in, you cannot protect style or concepts.)



DESIGNER
rmn2971
2021-03-15

please @ajleroux or anyone,, please make the final resume about this topic here and close it (don't let anynone continue this post anymore , except if they start new separate topic).
this topic is very good and very important. but
too many arguments are repeated and many are completely unrelated (I even forgot what we were actually talking about in the "friction" section).

But before that, sorry, I want to add, maybe it would be better if there were options regarding whether the reporter would be willing to be made public



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-15

@rmn 2971
The reports should always be private for security reasons.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-15
Edited 2021-03-15 by Brandmaistro permalink ANCHOR

Maybe we do not share the same ideas is okay. You are not forced to read this topic.

And the positive thing about discuss something like this is that we TOGETHER come to a good working situation. Because one of the answers was about privacy. But when you discuss multiple thoughts you can reshape ideas, make them better, smarter.

In this case we can conclude that there can be also another solution and that is that LG maybe need to mention that when you post reports you must not abuse the system or post reports because of personal taste or without any reason or at least good similarities. Perhaps if you do and frequently, you can be excluded for doing reports (only if there is reason for this).

So we should not only discuss copycats and similarities in logos, but also baseless report abusers :-)

It just about refining / reshaping. That’s called progression ;-)



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-15
Edited 2021-03-16 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

@kassymkulov

I agree with u, because report its sensitive & very personal. Netral.

I hope we discuss with positive vibe & clear solutions will be come.

Everything will be better.

Thank you



DESIGNER
morabira
2021-03-15
Edited 2021-03-15 by morabira permalink ANCHOR

Downgraded from platinum to gold etc. If make a baseless report or several baseless reports in a row. Having another pole system to judge this maybe (whether this ananymous reporter should be downgraded or not) hehehe



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-15
Edited 2021-03-15 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

rmn 2971, as long as it is within the forum rules I think we should allow the discussion to continue indefinitely. Discussion is good. :)

Brandmaistro, I have given some thought to over-reporting and revenge reporting. Initially the idea was to have a points system there as well, giving +1 if a logo is removed and -1 if it isn't. But that seems like asking for trouble. We don't want to encourage or discourage reports. We want "natural" reports - where someone really sees a problem and tells us about it without worrying about points. That said, we log all reports and can see a user's report history. When someone reports a logo we can show a message like "You reported _ number of logos with a success rate of _%". In extreme cases (many reports, low success) we could limit the number of logos that a particular user can report within a given timeframe, similar to what you suggested.

I don't think we should ban, downgrade or otherwise penalize for reports. Limiting a user's ability to report is a more appropriate, targeted solution.



DESIGNER
morabira
2021-03-15
Edited 2021-03-15 by morabira permalink ANCHOR

As long as some steps being taken to reduce baseless report, it should be ok. In my experience at contest sites, when you are on top (rating or ranking), there will always be people who trying hard to bring you down by looking for your mistake.

BTW, so many baseless reports today in my point of view.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-15

@morabirs
Exactly, even in the last few hours since this moment. What I see (and that is the reason of my suggestions) is that it seems some people are too focused on a handful of designers. And because of the secretly nature of this process it can be pretty easy to over-report. Knowing your name is hidden for the public audience.

Whatever admins may decide to improve, a little handbrake may be a good idea. But collecting data in the coming few weeks turns out in some stats to build on.

Thanks @ajleroux for your feedback.



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-03-15

Wow, I was attacked. :)
Does anyone dislike me here ??
Please take care of your words (whoever a platinum and gold designer out there reports my logo). There is not the slightest intention of me to steal or develop another designer logo. All ideas come from my own head.

Thank you.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-15

@Enoh91
That is exactly one of the examples. In the past few weeks I’ve seen one or more reporters reporting logo which were written in the same style, focusing on a handful of designers (don’t want to mentioning them here).



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-15

I don't think that baseless reports are a terrible problem. They waste a bit of time, but don't do damage otherwise. If it becomes a problem we can implement the reporting limit discussed above without too much hassle.

If your logos are reported and then not removed, don't worry about it. :)

If one of your logos is removed, it is worth taking the time to understand why and to check your portfolio for logos that may contain similar problems. It is better that you find them and update/remove them.



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-03-15

Yes, I a little annoyed that the report based solely on the logo is too general.


ajleroux, you really wanted to suspend me because designers told you to shut me down ??
Come on, you are all pros I know that, I sure you can tell which logos are on purpose and which are coincidence because they have the same idea and style.

To be honest my logo design is very general, with general execution, anyone can do it before i do. :)



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-15

Enoh91, I was happy to discuss it privately, but we can do it on the forum too.

The message I sent you stated explicitly that I'd prefer to not suspend/ban you. In that message I asked you to be more careful, to never base a logo on an existing logo and to check each upload using reverse image search.

We understand that logos can coincidentally be similar to other logos. This is especially true for simple logos. It happens occasionally that someone makes a logo that is very similar to a logo they did not know existed. It becomes a problem if it is not occasional. If we have to remove many logos from one designer's portfolio we eventually have to conclude that it is more than coincidence.

A simple solution is to check your uploads using reverse image search. Do your best to find a logo that is similar. If you can't, proceed with the upload.



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-03-15

ajleroux, Looks like, there will be more attacks on me :).


Yes, I always do that, looking for similarities to reverse image search. always. maybe I'm too rushed to upload a logo.


Well, give me some time to repair my portfolio.

Thank you for reminding.

I sent you an email.



DESIGNER
rmn2971
2021-03-15

@ajleroux, of course i know discussion is good. but i think it's the right time for admin to make (at least temporal) decission, because in this topic thread there have been too many repetitions of opposing arguments,there were even quarrels that went off topic, so as to make new readers confused if they have to read from start to finish.

if there has been a temporal decision and there is still a counter argument, it should be made on a separate topic thread.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-16

@ajleroux
Do we also need a 'GO ONE LOGO BACK' option?
Like we have at the review page?
Perhaps that can prevent 'misclicking' or when you change your mind.
(but you only can change it in the same review moment or in a certain timespan).



DESIGNER
aefirit
2021-03-16

Brandmaistro, I agree, a "go one logo back" option would be great, just in case.



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-03-16

on several latest reports I saw many reports that based on similar concept, but differ in executions, I found it really strange as I believe a concept cannot claimed to a single party. in example the "metal hand gesture with skull" couldn't both trademarkable?



DESIGNER
Gregory M
2021-03-16

Depends on the degree of simmilarity.



DESIGNER
Syla27
2021-03-16

I think this is in anticipation of a high percentage of logo plagiarism. Its features are very satisfying, and maybe this feature can provide a deterrent effect on the plagiarist. I hope it will be safer in the future :) :)



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-03-16

feels like it makes the designers kicking each others butt by the name of originality



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-16

Yeah, the legal rule that concepts cannot be protected... doesn’t seem to apply here at all times. :)

I was actually curious about the skull. It remained in place. I had another logo removed that wasn’t a copy, but yeah.

Ommm... thank god I earn my money elsewhere. Having to rely on any one platform seems fickle.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-16

I hope we don't create a situation were designers are overreacting on 'hunting for similarities in logos', to gain badges. I don't think a badge isn't a good intension to start over-reporting and searching logo by logo for similarities. Reporting something which is a true copy is okay (and welcome), but reporting silly 'same idea/ totally different execution' makes the whole thing a monster ;-)



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-16

I wouldn't make it such a big deal, if you see something strange just abstain or click no grounds, that's what I've been doing anyway. There will always be designers who will report just for the concept (I was that way when I just started this freelance logo career back in 2018).



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-16
Edited 2021-03-16 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

The way I see it the more common concept the bigger chances every new logo utilizing will be OK. Seems like a paradox but that's like it is. Reading this discussion I get the impression that some of you suggest no concepts should be protected. That would be too much liberty in my view.



DESIGNER
merci dsgn
2021-03-16
Edited 2021-03-16 by merci dsgn permalink ANCHOR

I like this improvement in general, but I would like to have an option between:

- It's too similar. The logos are too similar. Remove the logo from LogoGround, but don't penalize the designer.
- Ban this designer (LG Staff). This is a blatant copy. Remove the logo and ban the designer.

In between I believe that there is a space for "remove the logo and investigate", because staff can probably see if this happens often or it is the first time, and based on that can decide if the designer should be penalized and how.
Sometimes when the logo is similar I can not decide between these two options because I don't have enough information. And with simple geometric logos for example it is hard to see if the similarity is accident or intentional.
That ofc makes sense if staff can see the history of reported logos for each designer, and based on that can make a decision.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-03-16
Edited 2021-03-16 by eclipse42 permalink ANCHOR

Someone just reported 5 or 6 logos with this explanation: "logoground did dis logo octopus logo wrong". Same explanation, different title for the next report. That person should be banned from reporting logos as he or she obviously does not know what this is about.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-16

Thanks eclipse42. Done. His/her reports will still reach admins, but won't show up in community reports anymore.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-16

Thanks for the suggestion merci dsgn. I'm hesitant to add too many options, but we may expand it in the future.

In the meantime, if you think we should investigate, choose the ban option. We never ban someone unless we are 100% certain it is deserved. Even if everyone selects the ban option that will trigger an investigation, not an automatic ban.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-16
Edited 2021-03-16 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

@Eclipse42, it seem that it was a marine biologist counting tentacles and reporting any octopus that was not anatomically correct. LOL!

@Merci dsgn, good idea.

@Ajleroux, for clarity, maybe that option should be edited to "This is a blatant copy. Remove the logo and investigate/ban the designer." or something similar.



DESIGNER
merci dsgn
2021-03-16

@ajleroux that helps a lot, thank you. I was always hesitant to click on "ban" if I am not 100% sure because I did not know the consequences. Now that I know it will be easier to make a decision :)



DESIGNER
logoswim
2021-03-16

@Brandmaistro I agree with you what you said. I feel a bit hesitant, using designers against designers, I have a feeling that this function will help disturb the sound rhythm of the LG platform. I may be wrong though!!



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-17

Lol at the octopus, though.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-17
Edited 2021-03-17 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

@Brandmaistro

I agree to, still produktif & good situation its important.

With higher of standart approve every logo, will avoid similiarity of logo & avoid a report chance.

I think, sorry if im wrong.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-23

Designers, before you file a report, please check the references, profiles and other data. The latest report wasn’t necessary if the profile pages were reviewed. So check before you do report anything.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-23
Edited 2021-03-23 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

@Brandmaistro, my thoughts exactly. It would have taken one click for the reporting user to verify that it is in fact the same designer that published that logo on two marketplaces. Additionally, the reporting user is not aware of the following page and he/she thinks that selling elsewhere is against the rules: https://www.logoground.com/logos-on-other-sites.php

@Ajleroux, maybe there should be a note about this on the "report a logo" page, indicating that the reporting user must be aware of all guidelines and rules before reporting.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-23

Ortega Graphics, I'm hesitant to do anything that will either discourage or encourage reporting. I think we should aim for "natural" reports, in the sense that people report what they perceive as problems, without hurdles or incentives. Even if what they report is not a problem, we gain insight into the degree of alignment between LG rules and what people perceive as fair or right.

I also don't want us to miss potential copyright violations when someone doesn't have the time to first familiarize themselves with our rules.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-24

Serious? Reporting something with an arrow?



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-26

Being that most of us are not native English speakers, there will be confusion. One of the previous reports was because I think people don't understand the difference between "on sale" and "sold", hence they report logos that are on sale on other websites.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-27
Edited 2021-03-27 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

I want to say many thanks for new information & i read be carefully.

Yesterday finally i have gold badges & report menu show in my account.

(Many thanks LG for Gold Badges i really Glad) :-D Thanks logoground

I see some Designer try to copying the another Logo Designer, with same concept but a little different execution.

Make me confuse report or no,
with neutral perception, looking a reference & compare each other.

My score report is only "7"
I have to be wise in my assessment



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-28

I would love to see a percentage how often my opinion is identical to the outcome, so if something is removed or not.

Basically, I find most reports so far bloody ridiculous. :)



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-28
Edited 2021-03-28 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

Now Etsy! Guys I don't know all these sites. I don't know how to find the publication dates. How can I verify which logo is older? This piece of information is vital and all this sites tend to hide it somehow. Why????

I'm too old for this.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-03-28

@Sculptor, it wasn't me that created that violation report with the Etsy link, but FYI, all Etsy listings have a date at the bottom left (before the page footer).



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-28

Oh, please. The rainbow one? Is it the most unique logo? No. That applies to 50+% of LG. This is a ready made store. Having some measure of overused/ mainstream is good.

If admin approved a logo, I am not questioning later whether or not that design is too generic. I would report half the site. Including some of my own work.

P.s. Etsy has no useful publication date. You have to republish an item to stay on top. Sometimes you can find the earliest that a certain item was sold in the shop info.

But I doubt LG will have work stolen from Etsy. It is usually the other way around.



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-03-29
Edited 2021-03-29 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

Thanks Ortega and CTL!

If there are only two rainbows like that I would said: too similar. If they are aplenty I would say: good to go. There is a paradox involved. Admin have to be a tough guy to solve dilemmas like this. I would struggle.

Good thing is that violation reports make us all aware of how hard is to make an unique logo.



DESIGNER
ujangzhe
2021-03-29

why did it take so long to review the logo, usually only one day, please explain so not to ask questions



DESIGNER
Proff!
2021-03-29

ujangzhe,

Maybe the topic you are looking for is in the following link.

Intro for New Designers:
https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=1271

Faq:
https://www.logoground.com/designerfaq.php



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-29

I wouldn't consider an approved logo not to be generic. Simple logos do get approved because admins use reverse search to check for similarity. If nothing comes up they approve in the hopes that the designer came up with this simple solution first. But they don't use keyword search on Google. So if you were to find a similar logo using keywords and not reverse image search, then please do report them.

Generally speaking, if you compare any contest website's winners and LG catalog, LG will still be better :) And that's what makes us stick with this website and the fact that designers get to vote for which logos should be approved and which should not.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-29

CrossTheLime, thanks for the suggestion. I agree, it would be good to see to what degree our votes align with the community's votes. We'll add it soon. Regarding unnecessary reports, see my previous post above https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=3255#31693



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-30

Yeah, I just feel bad about the reports admin usually had to deal with.

Had one truly good laugh yesterday, when someone bought a stolen logo and now claimed LG had to remove the original. And there were 1-2 clear copies. But everything else so far has been ‘are you kidding me’. :)

Considering that I don’t sell anything here, I have no clue why I spend so much time on here.



DESIGNER
itDiffers
2021-03-30

@CrossTheLime - "Considering that I don’t sell anything here, I have no clue why I spend so much time on here." - Same here, probably it's the badges.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-30
Edited 2021-03-30 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

An Update:

On the final page (beer page) of the reports there is now a note that tells you how often your previous votes matched the final decision. Since the final decision usually reflects the majority vote, this will give you some insight into how close your votes are to the community's votes.

Important to note: There is no associated badge or any other benefit/penalty. If you disagree with the community all the time, that's fine! In the reports we prefer to hear what you think, not what you think the community thinks.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-03-30

@ajleroux
Nice! I have a 76% match.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-03-30

@ajleroux Thanks for information, Nice!



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-31

Could it be that the mentioned number of reviewed reports is lower than a day ago?



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-03-31
Edited 2021-03-31 by CrossTheLime permalink ANCHOR

In 65 completed violation reports where you voted, your vote matched the final decision 40 times.

Ha. Yeah, y’all seem to consider way more generic things a copy. :)

(And yeah, I had close to 100 yesterday, now it is 65? I am guessing my abstained ones were removed? I don’t judge logo styles that I know nothing about.)



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-03-31

@CrossTheLime
Yes, I do also think that the 'missing' number of the total is caused by excluding the abstained reports.



DESIGNER
Fbastiart
2021-03-31

My record
67/92 = 72,83 %



DESIGNER
Fbastiart
2021-03-31

Hi, Andre
Could you add a comment section for review a report form?



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-03-31

CrossTheLime & Brandmaistro, correct, we initially included abstain votes in the number shown on your overview page. That changed with this update.

Fbastiart, thanks for the suggestion. That is on our to-do list.



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-04-04

On the latest reported logo, I think he is the same designer based on the name. And there is more than one similar logo between these two account. But the problem is he used the exactly the same element in two different logos. I think admin should check these account.
Regards.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-04-05

It is probably not necessary to double-report every report in here.

Personally, I don’t care if the designer has different versions of the logo elsewhere, as long as he knows that he can only sell one.

I believe LG had set that having different logo variations elsewhere would be confusing, so they usually remove the one here, if the logo is not identical.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-05

Whoever is reporting logos for for border and name, please stop it. It's ok for OLDER logos to have border or strange gradients, placeholder texts etc.



DESIGNER
didiwinata
2021-04-05
Edited 2021-04-05 by didiwinata permalink ANCHOR

many logos were reported due to text place holders, such as cat names, animal names, cat business.

I don't think this is a problem because text has a general meaning.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-04-05

Sorry, that was me, already stopped when it became a never ending story. But not sure why? Those rules were always in place?

I was just killing time.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-04-05
Edited 2021-04-05 by Brandmaistro permalink ANCHOR

I think we should reconsider the issue about placeholder names. The spelling is a sign of quality, so this can be readon for declination. But calling a ‘rose logo’ a ‘rose company’ AND made years ago can be a reason to choose for ‘abstain logo’. We can draw a line between old and new logos. Because maybe years ago there wasn’t that rule with placeholder names.

Maybe something to overthink. Personally it’s not a big deal when is is an older logo and there is a rose in the logo (in case of an ‘rose company’).

And I think we should not break down somebody’s reputation structurally by deleting old logos especially when logos are not stolen, spelling is correct and there are no other errors or shady things.

Reporting new logos because rules are not followed can be reported. But we should decide it case by case..

My 2 cents.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-04-05

Yes, I was overzealous. Mea culpa.

On a bright note, I found one of my logos. :)



DESIGNER
stilographic
2021-04-05

It seems that someone gets crazy about reporting borders and not generic names in logos. Although these rules are fair they should not apply to old logos as these rules did not exist on the date of publication. The rules should be only applied on new logos. I hope that admin staff consider this matter as is not fair for those authors to upload again that logos. I think that everybody cand understand this issue.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-05

CrossTheLime, good find. The blatant copy was deleted and the user has been banned.

I agree with Stilographic and others above that rules should not always be retro-applied. We used to be far more lenient with things like the logo text.

Overzealous reporting is not a problem. :) Keeping LG clean benefits everyone and we really appreciate it when people take the time to report what they find.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-04-05

I was in a flow. I try not to do that again. :)

Yeah, I occasionally look through the latest uploads. Was kinda surprised to see my own logo there. They all get caught eventually.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-04-05

Ajleroux,

The information provided on the final page of the violations reports is very interesting, but I have been wondering if the numbers are correct. It is indicated that "For simplicity, any vote to remove a logo that was removed or to keep one that was kept is counted as a match". Therefore, we can assume that this is equivalent to a color match; meaning that any pair of green votes would be considered a match and any pair of red votes would be considered a match as well (and obviously a blue vote won't be counted). Right?

If this is the case, then you might want to take a closer look at the code that calculates the two numbers displayed on that final page (completed violation reports vs user matching the community's final decision), because currently there are clear discrepancies; particularly in very clear cut cases like the ones recently reported by CTL.

Thank you,

Ortega Graphics



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-05

Hi Ortega Graphics,

Many thanks. I had a look at my stats and I agree, something is not right with the counting. It looks like it correctly counted the red matches, but not the green matches. (You are right about red/green). I changed the code and I believe it will count correctly going forward, but I can't think of a simple way for us to recount existing votes. It is stored as a single number, for resource light access, not stored as individual votes that are counted each time the page loads. I applied a bit of a hack to approximate the correct score. Not ideal, but for most users the score should now be correct or very close to correct.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-04-06

I think the abstains are counted incorrectly now?

In 146 completed violation reports where you voted, your vote matched the final decision 104 times. 40+ of those were abstains.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-04-06

CrossTheLime,

The blue votes (abstain) are not counted.

As far as I can see, there have been over 220 violation reports; if you abstained on some violation reports (on 40 or so, like you said), then this simply means that you missed 34 or so violation reports (that is, you did not vote because you weren't online). These are, of course, estimates.

Hope this helps,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-04-06

Ajleroux,

Thank you for fixing the code. Too bad the count won't be perfect; but at least we are all in the same boat.

Thanks again,

Ortega Graphics



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-06

CrossTheLime, I can confirm that abstains aren't counted, but the reported number could be off by a few votes because of the previous incorrect counting mentioned above. Going forward it should hopefully count correctly.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-06

Just got the deputy badge :)
But the green tick is missing on this page:
https://www.logoground.com/designer-ranking.php



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-07

kassymkulov, many thanks for letting us know. Fixed.

And congrats. :)



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-16

@ajelroux Today there was few double reports, can those be filtered out or maybe to add button saying already reported or something.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-04-16

Now I did not check... was the zellow dog reported twice with the same text? Then that was a glitch, I only reported once. And pretty sure I only mathed once, too.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-16
Edited 2021-04-16 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

I think it’s ok to report a logo multiple times, given that each time a report is by a different user providing a different proof. Or when the same user finds another proof.

For example in your reports I first selected there is a problem but your second report I selected ban this designer.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-04-16
Edited 2021-04-16 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

Hello,

Concerning double reports. Ideally, the most efficient course of action would be to setup the system to recognize duplicate active reports, and show them to subsequent reporters.

The automatic message would appear on the report-a-logo page (before the form) and it could read something like this:
"This particular logo has already been reported in the past [x] hours (or [x] minutes), here's what the existing report says: [report type and reason here, including links]. If your duplicate report adds something new to the already existing report, then you can continue with your duplicate report. Otherwise, you should simply cancel your report and go vote on the existing report instead. Thank you."

Of course, if comments are added as a feature on violation reports, then maybe the form could be replaced by the message, which could read something like this:
"This particular logo has already been reported in the past [x] hours (or [x] minutes). Please visit the existing active report and if you have additional information, you can simply add a comment to that existing report. Thank you."

Just some thoughts,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-16

Ortega Graphics, I like that idea.

Kassymkulov, those I am talking about, seemed to me like a glitch double report cause they had everything the same, no difference.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-17

Nice idea, thanks. The ability to comment on open reports is on our to-do list.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-21
Edited 2021-04-21 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

@eclipse42
I think the user who reported your logos is not familiar with concept principles or couldn't make himself/herself clear. But what I noticed is you sometimes use almost the same horse silhouette for each combination which creates confusion.

@reporter: You can create a whole alphabet using a letter + horse concept, nothing wrong with that. But, the horse shape or the letter style should always be different. So if you see someone re-using an animal shape in multiple logos, please report it.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-21
Edited 2021-04-21 by eclipse42 permalink ANCHOR

@kassymkulov horse head is not something that can be executed in million ways without going excessive in anatomy. Considering there are several designers on LG creating logos like this, a small change in lines, ears, eyes is enough along with different shape of the head, but not excessive. It is in the details. In those reported none of the heads had anything same. If they did I will gladly edit it and re upload. The concept of this is letter + horse head from profile, not front, angled or any other view. Why would the letter style have to be different if you don't mind elaborating? If those are created from scratch and with a certain style, why do they have to be different ? Isn't there a topic about stylistic similarities and re-copying someone elses style ? That is just not correct, what You wrote. If the letter is same and a horse different, that is for a report, but different letter with same style, not.

Btw thanks for replying here, I thought that was the right topic lol.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-22
Edited 2021-04-22 by eclipse42 permalink ANCHOR

Just to add, I am not against him/her reporting the logos. I am against a confusion with a concept and similarity, but it will take time probably. I don't want him / her to read this and think I am against reporting logos. He / she did find some of my logos that had repetitive element and that is a good thing, If I had time to go through I would remove a lot of my logos from 2017/18 because of low quality and some that had repetitive elements, when, at that time, I did not really think of it.



DESIGNER
sculptor
2021-04-22
Edited 2021-04-22 by sculptor permalink ANCHOR

These horses and bears are a good example of standing on the border. I branded some as "not similar enough" and some as "too similar". With one I made a mechanical mistake of choosing wrong category - I intended to vote: "not similar enough". There was no way to go one step back like this is with Community Reviews. I request Admin to add option or I won't feel up to the task.

Overall, I wish that Violation Reports could go into direction of only really harsh violations reported. I would leave more mellow cases to the admin and the system itself (Community Review).

I admire you guys. I still didn't fill even one report. You must be spending a lot of time watching logos of others while I watch movies.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-26

Sculptor, we would like to add the back/undo option, but that might not be coming soon because it is technically quite challenging. We may need a time limit on the undo, so that it is not possible to undo a vote after the report has been closed. We're looking into it. :)



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-26

A small update:

We occasionally see blank/broken images in reports, where the designer removed the logo because it was reported. This means that copycats can potentially dodge a ban if they delete the logo before we get a chance to review it. We changed that. As of today, a reported logo can not be deleted until the report is closed.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-26
Edited 2021-04-26 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

Good!
Assuming that copycats are novice designers I wonder how do they know that their logos are being reported? I remember someone saying that they're being informed by their countryman in social media groups...
But if it's a gold and platinum level designer, how can he/she be a copycat? :) Accidental similarity due to the simple nature of a design - yes, but a straight blatant copying from high level designers is unacceptable.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-26

@kassymkulov they have a group for such things ? They really go to another level with this.

Good thing to be added by LG staff.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-04-26

I recently filed a complaint of blatant plagiarism.
I received support that this copyright infringing logo was removed and thanks for letting me know.
BUT, for me it is very strange that the account of this intruder is not blocked!
Why doesn't the one hit rule apply to him ??? Is he special?
His work was not just like someone else's. He exactly copied the figure of the man and drew the wings for him.
He placed the male figure in a mirrored position.
This is a deliberate deception in order to gain approval!



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-26

Dmitriy Dzendo, as I recall LG rarely ban someone the first time they copy or something like that. There is a one strike rule, so maybe they gave him a fair, one warning and it will go from there. His account will be flagged for future usage. Maybe he won't do it again, but also he might try again. However, he will be caught for sure.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-04-26

If you are loyal to some of the violators who deliberately create plagiarism, then I see no point in further reporting such violations.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-04-26

There is a rule that everyone should be familiar with when registering.
If it is not a deliberate violation, then a warning can be given to the offender. But when a designer creates deliberate plagiarism, then the one-hit rule must apply! Otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

If this does not work and some designers are forgiven for such actions, then sorry, but I will not help more in cleaning the site from plagiarism (if I notice such a case).
This is quite logical.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-26

@eclipse42
That was the impression, but I may be wrong. Maybe I misunderstood.
Anyway, it can be checked by admins, if the reported logo is from a silver or lower ranked designers and he/she removes a logo before the verdict then they're being informed.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-04-26

eclipse42

If this is true, then this provides a good reason to be unnoticed by the intruder.
In some cases, it is possible to check the logo for plagiarism only if you remove some of the details that have been added to the logo.
Once you have the original file for this logo, it's easy to do. But when you only have an image, I don't think that someone will seriously deal with it.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-26
Edited 2021-04-26 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

Also, if your logos are reported for being similar to some designers work, don't go all vendetta on that designer :))) It's not necessarily reported by the designer himself/herself.
@ajleroux Any way to resolve the counter anger?

I think this is one of the main downsides of making the reports democratized.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-26

Dmitriy Dzendo, see my last post above. The designer you are referring to deleted the logo before we had a chance to review the report.

Actually, your report is the reason why we changed the system. We wanted to ban this designer, but did not have a copyright violation to ban them for. Your report included a screenshot (thanks), but we have to have a violation visible on the site before we can ban someone. Now that reported logos can no longer be deleted we will not have this problem again in the future.

kassymkulov, I don't think that report vendettas are a serious problem, because a report on its own has no negative effect. There has to be an actual violation before it hurts the reported designer. Let me know if I'm missing something. And suggestions for resolving it are welcome. :)



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-26

I haven't really noticed any vendeta cases in report section. How can someone know who reported who, except in cases like, where Dmitriy said he filed report and we all know which logo is being referred to. Maybe I have a bad eye when it comes to this. I rarely even look who is the designer of the reported logo, not of my interest, only if it is similar or not.



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-04-26

Ajleroux

Thanks for the answer. Now I understand.
By the way, I noticed that this designer, when he saw his violation, decided to remove the logo in advance in order to avoid punishment.
And I had the idea to write about this problem to you.
But you already understood this yourself. It's good.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-26

@ajleroux
Was the designer Dmitry reported a gold or platinum level? If not, how did he/she know that his/her logo was reported? That's what I meant that somebody might be warning them beforehand.

@eclipse42
Me too, but I recognize my own logos though :) Once someone reports a logo that is similar to mine, I notice some activity in my account such as many likes from the reported user, and it's as if he/she is saying "don't report me, I like you" :) But it's not me who is reporting.
Then some of my own logos get reported, which is ok given my simplistic style, even though I don't agree with the verdict and not given a chance to appeal and show people the differences.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-04-26
Edited 2021-04-26 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

Also, I don't select ban this designer if the designer has a good track record here, but I do select banning when it's a newly registered designer. Will there be a way for us to see (in the future) how every report is turning out? Curious to know if the designer was banned or not.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-26

kassymkulov, I'm not sure how they would know. I am assuming that people notify their friends when they see their logos reported. But now that reported logos can no longer be deleted it's not a problem.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-26

Yes, we will add a way to browse previous reports. Coming soon. :)



DESIGNER
Dmitriy Dzendo
2021-04-26

kassymkulov

The designer I was complaining about is only a beginner.
I'm not at all surprised that he found out about his violation from other designers. They warned him.
Don't you remember how they organized their community in whatsapp? They openly announced this on the forum.
https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=2348

Thus, they can also collaborate to "like" their work and give high marks when checking logos.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-26
Edited 2021-04-26 by eclipse42 permalink ANCHOR

@ajleroux if what Dmitriy says is true and some designers have a close group of people liking their own logos for false high ranking, shouldn't this raise a flag in the system. I remember such warnings were sent to the system before.

Also we just had a double report again, from same person. Somebody reporting the logos is impatient.
Second, I see that logos reported are the ones being approved today. Is the person reporting the logos lower than silver ranking ? Because these kind of information / opinions, etc. can all be expressed while the new logo is in review. That way administration will have insight into the matter before it even gets approved. Flagging the logo as "serious problem" will trigger it, right ? I am curious if such information / opinions, etc. have already been expressed for administration before the approval of the logo ? To be honest I did not think we would be reviewing reports for logos that were just approved on LG.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-26

eclipse42, there are flags in place. Many, many flags. :) It is not possible for them to gain an unfair advantage. Some are very creative in the ways they try to manipulate rankings, but we find them all because abnormal rankings are easy to spot and investigate.

The person reporting a logo will not always be someone who is active in community review. The community reviewers (and admins) may miss something, approve the logo, then it is reported by someone who did not see the logo in community review. We prefer to stop problem logos in review, rather than approving the logo and receiving a report, but it is good that the reporting system acts as a backup and catches any problems that we miss in community review.



DESIGNER
korzuen
2021-04-26

I've encountered a couple of times where the reported logo is deleted before any decision can be made. So are they manipulating the system to avoid ban?
Could a group of people manipulate the "community review" too for submission and "staff favorite"?



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-04-27

Hi korzuen,

They could try, but would have two problems:

1. An admin still oversees review. The community can't force approval of a bad logo or rejection of a good one.

2. The system flags review behavior that's outside the normal range. For example, if you always approve logos by designer A, the system will flag it for an admin to take a look. Usually it's nothing serious (like a designer approving their own logos or approving almost every logo), but if there is evidence of manipulation we can change a setting on the user's account and then their future review votes are no longer counted. They can still review logos, we just don't listen to them anymore.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-27
Edited 2021-04-27 by eclipse42 permalink ANCHOR

Ajleroux - Somebody reported logo from zepro saying balatant copy. He just posted a link of the person who copied it. In review I pressed the button asking for more information as there was no date on the logo from dribble (the copy), so I am curious how that works when administration reviews it. If, for example, there is one vote saying more information is needed, do they really request more info or it needs more of those votes ?

In this case I am sure LG staff will request more info because there is no date even without such vote, but as a concept I am curious if it needs more votes or one of those is enough to raise the question.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-04-27
Edited 2021-04-27 by Ortega Graphics permalink ANCHOR

@Eclipse42, for Dribbble logos, click on the "Show details" button to see the date (i in a circle)

@Ajleroux, when the report shows an old LG logo, maybe there should be a note next to the logo date (something like "This logo is 2 years old") because on this particular case, it might help users realize that the LG logo most probably predates the Dribbble logo.



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-04-27
Edited 2021-04-27 by eclipse42 permalink ANCHOR

@Ortega Graphics, thanks for clarification, I haven't managed to see it on my phone for some reason. On desktop I see the icon. Maybe I missed it somehow. Thanks.



DESIGNER
Gregory M
2021-04-27

how the hell can i report this guy on dribble theres no button anywhere... Scum site.



DESIGNER


DESIGNER
Lavrin UKR
2021-05-07

--Double reports--

• Yesterday, once again I came across the repeated report, it was the N Chat logo, and as the previous time I voted as --> Too similar, remove the logo. Yet, I'm quite surprised that such cases aren't unanimous in our community. There are hundreds of techniques, methods and colors to make a logo look different from the original, but if the IDEA is way too similar (in this example it's the same letter N + same chat bubbles in the same place) I think this has to be prohibited. When I ran into such logos at the review process, I pretty often wrote ‘The idea is TAKEN’ and attached the url link. In my subjective opinion, an EXCLUSIVE logo should have its personality and the minimal level of creativity, otherwise LogoGround can regress to some state of the assembly line with a significant drop in QUALITY.

• Identical thing happened the other day with Fork+Guitar logo, I was confused to see it once again, as it was clearly a stolen and modified IDEA, still with the same guitar bridge/dots/negative space. Luckily the reporter made a comparison mock-up with symmetrical angles and the community voted against the obvious copy.

Just my opinion and attempt to give this matter some fresh thought.



DESIGNER
Yohema Art
2021-05-07

Hi Lavrin UKR

If I'm not mistaken, you mean's my logo.
After I found out that my logo was reported, I realized that the logo concept was already being used.
You need to know that when I designed the N chat logo, I only used a pencil to get the concept. Then I perfected it in Corel. So I didn't design the logo by modifying the existing N chat logo and making changes to make it look different.

Maybe that's a little defense from me. However, if one day the logo is reported back with the reason "the concept has been used", and my logo is deleted. I don't think there will be any more N chat logos with the same concept at LG.



DESIGNER
guirre
2021-05-07

It must also be taken into account that many people who report logos, place a URL in which the upload date of the supposedly original logo does not appear.

In those cases, it is impossible to delete a logo because we must know which logo was created first.

If people take the time to report, they should at least get it right.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-05-07
Edited 2021-05-07 by ajleroux permalink ANCHOR

Lavrin UKR, many thanks for the feedback. I don't think those cases are identical. The N logo has the same idea, different execution. The guitar logo had the same idea and similar (partially copied) execution. The voting was fairly close both times for the N logo, with about half the jury voting to remove the logo and half voting to keep it. I think keeping it was the right decision. Ideas cannot be owned or copyrighted.

A logo should be allowed if it is:
1. Copyrightable (An original work, created from scratch.)
2. Trademarkable (Not confusingly similar to existing designs.)

I think the N logo passes.

Guirre, I'm happy to report that most of the jury pay attention to the dates. There are a few who seem to vote without checking. But yes, people definitely report without checking, unfortunately.



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-05-08
Edited 2021-05-08 by Enoh91 permalink ANCHOR

Sometimes, Not all logos you see are the same, born out of the development of pre-existing logos. Especially for simple logos, if you are a professional, you will understand that.

This may seem like an defense to me, because you know, I'm one of those designers whose logos get a lot of reporting. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, what is clear is that all my logos are made from blank artboards in Illustrator, all of which I think of in my left brain I'll be doing. No embedded images or anything in my artboards.

I believe the reporter with the words "Blatant copied" is the same person. Is he a perfect designer? and never make a mistake or have the same idea as an existing logo?

examples for this report:

https://www.logoground.com/violationreport.php?rid=1052

What parts do I clearly copy from the logo on the 99d?

Link to my logo:
https://prntscr.com/12o37qs



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-05-08

Enoh91, that's not exact copy but it's similar. Same concept and nearly similar execution. Checking the logo before upload them will avoid this similarity problem. When someone buy the logo, the buyer maybe will face a problem to register the trademark.

Disclaimer: I am not the one who reported your logo.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-05-08

Hi Enoh91,

I would not worry about it too much. Anyone can report any logo and sometimes the reporter is simply wrong. If we thought it was a blatant copy you'd be banned. You were not banned or even warned for this logo because we can see that it is not a blatant copy.

It's not fun to see one of your own logos reported, but if it is undeserved the best thing to do is to just ignore it. :)



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-05-08

AreksaDesign, Always, I always do a reverse search for each of my Logos. Especially after many reports to my logo some time ago. I repeated all reverse searches on each of my logos, including the Letter C Sushi Logo I mentioned above. Already looking for it via Yandex and Google. With the keyword Letter C Sushi Logo, but still Logo Sushi on 99d It does not appear in search. Maybe because the logo is not the letter C Sushi Logo.

You are not the one to report my logo ?? I know it :)

ajleroux, To be honest it's a little frustrating to me. Was considered a thief and developed an existing logo, although I never seen that logo before :)



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-05-08

@enoh91
I think 90% of the logos reported to you have no grounds. But for this C Sushi logo I did vote too similar. Banning would be unjustified.

There is also a matter of cryptomnesia. The fact that you created from scratch does not mean it is unique. I can create adidas logo from scratch but it means nothing. As long as you use yandex and keywords to search for similarities, you’re safe.



DESIGNER
didiwinata
2021-05-08

Maybe @Enoh91 meant the use of the reporter's comments which were not neutral, there was the reporter's personal statement that was emphasized to the reported designer. I've been there before, even asked to ban me, I think I know this designer, I remember his style of writing, word by word.

Maybe it would be wiser if the comments on reporting are neutral, it is enough to explain the reasons why reporting it, it looks similar from which part, the point is at a glance about the technical logo, don't be too cornered because the final decision is not necessarily the same as what the reporter thought.



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-05-08

kassymkulov, I believe the designers here are professional designers. who are well aware of the cryptomnesia problem.

Forget my Sushi Letter C Logo. Maybe there won't be a Sushi Logo with a seaweed roll forming the letter C with fish slices as usual in this world. :)

Incidentally you are commenting here, I want to discuss a little about my logo which was reported because it is too similar to your logo.

First of all, I want to remind you, that you once taught me how to make unique monogram letter combinations. To be precise in my post on this one:

https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=2466

You recommended that I create a Monogram with a 45 degree rotation. and I do your suggestions on some of my logos. one of them in this logo:
https://prntscr.com/12oiv6y
https://prntscr.com/12oiz1n

Do I also have to do a search with the letters TB and the IU Logo? it is impossible for every designer to search with different keywords. Your logo is very popular here, I know that. It is not impossible that I have seen your TB and IU logos before. but, when I made the ID and TD logo, there was no intention of developing your logo to become my new logo. :)



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-05-08

didiwinata, That's one of my worries. it is not impossible that we / the jury will be fooled by words that only aim to get rid of the designer he doesn't like.



DESIGNER
lucascofounder
2021-05-12
Edited 2021-05-12 by ajleroux (admin) permalink ANCHOR

[Removed - Ad hominem]



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-05-12
Edited 2021-05-12 by Enoh91 permalink ANCHOR

Hi lucascofounder,
I don't feel the greatest here.

Where have I always been unethical? I do not understand what you mean.

If there is something wrong with my logo, you don't need to comment on my work. all you have to do is report it.

I don't feel lucky and no one is counting on luck here. Everything follows the rules, if I break the rules, There's no way I still be here. :)



DESIGNER
Enoh91
2021-05-12
Edited 2021-05-12 by Enoh91 permalink ANCHOR

Is Your Job Better? Even I don't know how good your job is. :)



DESIGNER
Yohema Art
2021-05-12

Keep smile : )



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-05-12

lucascofounder, I removed your post. It was hard to understand what you were trying to say, but from what I could understand it seemed like a personal attack against another designer, which is against the forum rules.

Please see the forum rules here: https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=6

And welcome to LogoGround. :)



DESIGNER
eclipse42
2021-05-26

@ajleroux I mistakenly wrote a message for You in this topic: https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=3567

The title messed with me for second time :)

Could You please view my comment in above topic so I don't write it again here and edit, repeat myself with, before mentioned, topic.

Thanks in advance.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-05-26

No problem. :) I responded there.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-05-27
Edited 2021-05-27 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

Whoever is reporting logos without understanding the process behind them take a look at this screenshot. Letters are letters and logos are not only about animals. The letters I drew are not your generic font but rather a perfectly drawn geometric shapes from scratch (while letters in fonts have optical correction). Besides, one cannot use fonts for logos (except for some rare cases), but this is not the case.
Why I chose a greyscale style is my own design choice, so that there's something different.

https://prnt.sc/13ha16p

There was a lot experimenting before I chose the one I chose.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-05-27

@Enoh91
Sorry, missed your messages.
Being aware of cryptomnesia, it's quite the opposite, you are not aware of it when it happens to you that's why it's called what it's called.

The point of rotating letters is not that they become unique. I do it to balance them out, so that AB logo could also be BA logo. But when checking for similarities you should always check their rotated variants, for example lowercase n is also a u if rotated., A is might look like V and you know about p,d,p,q etc etc.



DESIGNER
KeenanPix
2021-05-31
Edited 2021-05-31 by sheshin permalink ANCHOR

hello, introduce I am the new designer at logoground,
today I happen to get a notification that my logo

https://www.logoground.com/uploads9/dv9y20211535242021-04-263904865KX%20or%20XK%20logo-01.jpg

has been removed for violation my logo is similar to this logo

https://www.logoground.com/logo.php?id=399742

please guidance, because I don't copy the existing design, it must look the same, but I think it's a very different style design, and when I look at LG there are many logos with cases like this

[Links removed - forum rules]

apologize if it's wrong, and once again ask for an explanation and guidance





DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-05-31
Edited 2021-05-31 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

Hello, @sheshin
First of all it's not permitted to share links to another designers' logos without their consent ;) Remove them from your post.
Secondly, comparing this situation to another will resolve nothing. Each situation is specific with its own nuances.
And thirdly, I remember voting not similar but I guess I was wrong because the majority voted otherwise. In this case, it's best to move on ;)

Note that no one is accusing you of a deliberate copy, you just created something very simple which means it always has a risk of looking like something else.



DESIGNER
KeenanPix
2021-05-31

@kassymkulov
thank you very much for the explanation and guidance, okay let's move on :)



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-06-02

just notice many recent report based on personal standards, along withe the line of "low quality designs" ? i think the reports as no ground. remember, the LG staff carefully curate any logos uploaded.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-06-02

Hi Genovius,

Yup, sometimes logos are reported because someone thinks they don't meet LogoGround's quality requirement. It's OK to report logos for that reason.

Also see my previous post about it above:
https://www.logoground.com/discuss.php?topic=3255#30870



DESIGNER
KeenanPix
2021-06-02

@genovius
@ajleroux

thank you for that I understand that, indeed sometimes as a new designer maybe I still learn a lot to understand this condition, I think it's for being together, without anyone being harmed :)



DESIGNER
Egdio
2021-06-05
Edited 2021-06-05 by Egdio permalink ANCHOR

I apologize for the similar logo, This is clearly an accident. I made this logo from scratch never copying other logos, maybe the concept is the same but the execution is clearly very different. I never knew the dreamstime link.
If the concept is improved, is it still acceptable?

my logo
https://www.logoground.com/uploads10/dv10y20211401672021-05-273352196pisa-tower-italian-flag.jpg

design process https://prntscr.com/145d9g0

similar design
https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photo-pisa-tower-italia-flag-as-background-all-element-separated-image33249635

thanks for reminding me.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-06-05

Hi Egdio,

There is no need to apologize. :) We think it is clear that the similarity is coincidental. We removed the logo because it is too similar, but we can see that it was not copied.

Yes, you can upload a changed version of your logo.



DESIGNER
Egdio
2021-06-05

@ajleroux
I have changed the logo to a different version
thanks for being approved...
I would be more careful...
regards



DESIGNER
skintani
2021-06-06

@egdio this new one is better than before, Good job bro



DESIGNER
skintani
2021-06-06

hi ajleroux & Team LG

is it possible on the web logoground, make a search with an image? I think it can be useful so that we can also check before uploading, to avoid similarities with the logo that has been uploaded on LG.



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-06-06

@skintani,
Just use Yandex and Google image, it's enough I think. Don't forget to reverse color when search on these search engine. :)



DESIGNER
skintani
2021-06-06

Hi mas bro @Ardi Eksanusi

well I always use yandex and G Image, and some other image search too.

what I mean here is it possible that LG is also developing its site with a search system with images on the search button



DESIGNER
ArdiEksanusi
2021-06-06

I think it isn't possible here.. I think it isn't important especially for the client. Using yandex and google image is enough.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-06-06

Hi skintani,

Many thanks for the suggestion. We have considered it, but at the moment such a system is out of our reach. For the time being we'll unfortunately have to make do with image search via Yandex, Google etc.



DESIGNER
skintani
2021-06-06

Thanks @Ajleroux

I hope that in the future LG can implement the system, if it is really needed. ;-)



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-06-07

Ok, someone keeps reporting my logo for using a penrose triangle? It was first discovered or drawn in 1930s by a swedish artist. Today it is a generic shape just like a circle, square or hexagon which you can use for your logos. There are thousands of companies especially in construction that uses Penrose triangle in their logos, not only some Smadav which I have never heard of.



DESIGNER
Proff!
2021-06-07
Edited 2021-06-07 by Proff! permalink ANCHOR

kassymkulov,

It looks like the person reporting your logo is a big fan of you.

☺☺☺

I didn't report your logo.

A little extra, about Smadav.

Smadav is a portable antivirus made in Indonesia.

This antivirus is worldwide and many bloggers post articles about Smadav to increase visitors.

Link:
https://www.smadav.net/



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-06-09
Edited 2021-06-09 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

@Proff!
Yeap... I am helping a lot of new wannabe designers in the forum, but then some of those same designers are starting to question me :)
I should really stop doing it.



DESIGNER
morabira
2021-06-09
Edited 2021-06-09 by morabira permalink ANCHOR

@kassymkulov
It is because the list of juries are shown. The designer who was being reported will always assume that you voted "yes" or you are the one who reported. Then he will seek revenge.

I don't think showing who the juries are is healthy socially. It just triggering war and hostility.



DESIGNER
Proff!
2021-06-09
Edited 2021-06-09 by Proff! permalink ANCHOR

@kassymkulov
I really appreciate that.

You should have earned the "Teacher" Badge already :)

Because you have graduated many new designers until their logo is approved at LG.



DESIGNER
Sor
2021-06-09

Maybe some kind of cooldown should be triggered when multiple no grounds/vendetta reports are detected?!
I have zero web development skills and I don't even know if that's possible or not. It’s just an idea for those good at coding *chough*LGstaff*chough* :D.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-06-09

I had the same thoughts as @Morabira, mentioned that when this feature was implemented. Unfortunately, this is how it works, and eye for an eye...

@kassymkulov A few seconds ago I reviewed one of your reported logos. That '$250 logo' ;-)
Don't know if I should laugh or cry...
Sounds great, a simple logo, easy to remember. Every designer's wet dream. Would this reporter also question the simplicity of the NIKE logo? Cost only $35 in 1971. Now probably worth billions. Compared to that $35, your logo is actually ridiculously expensive ;-)

Note to reporters: If you have absolutely no idea what a simple and solid logo means, don't react and let your frustrations out on a punching bag or turn it into creative power. And when you say 'you could make this in 2 minutes with paint', then you are doubtful anyway as I make this (after seeing it) with Adobe Illustrator in just ONE minute. But ONLY because someone else put all their time into it, so I didn't have to come up with it myself.

It also reminds me of another quote.
"You are not just paying for my time but my years of experience"



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-06-09
Edited 2021-06-09 by Brandmaistro permalink ANCHOR

WOW!
Somebody reported a logo, which was compared to a butterfly shaped logo (www.instagram.com/pinkychicstore)

Right now I'm more interested in the reference logo. Because that reference (mentioned in the URL above) IS MY logo. So that reference was already a plagiarized logo (copy of a copy logo?). See my original logo here: www.logoground.com/logo.php?id=77672

So thanks for reporting it, because we now found the real copycat.



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-06-09

Yeah, not all people understand simplicity, I'm just glad that LG staff is on my side here. You CAN draw it within a minute but it's just because I solved it for you ;)

And that Penrose triangle situation is something different despite me saying that the shape is there since 30s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_triangle

Maybe they think I used their colors? But I didn't but even if I did (no one knows Smadav brand except Indonesians which I'm not) colors can't be trademarked.

@Brandmaistro
Hope you have a sale soon ;)



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-06-09

@kassymkulov
Maybe. Or maybe not. ;-)
That girly-like webshop doesn't look like very professional.
Most of these cases end up with a huge 'DMCA-removal-circus', without a real sale.
But you will never know...



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-06-09

@BM
Yes you never know )
I had a decent company from London that were using my logo but they kept calling me names e.g. fuckboi, and I had a best cooperation from a client in Vietnam who purchased a logo no questions asked and even apologized.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-06-09

I experienced the same, last feedback from a Thai real estate guy was ‘go f*ck yourself troll’...
From that moment he signed his own death sentence :-)

BTW
Your latest reported logo become a real slapstick. 5 reports and still new reports :-/



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-06-09
Edited 2021-06-09 by Genovius permalink ANCHOR

they're not giving up trying to put down that penrose triangle tree logo, the report should be addressed to smadav instead for copying 1930 penrose triangle imagery.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-06-10

I especially love the "you art is so bad, I would never pay for that!" rants. Well, you DID steal my art, so how bad can it be?



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-06-11

Sor, many thanks for the suggestion. :)

A cooldown would be possible to do in code, but I don't think we should. We want someone who finds a real copyright violation to be able to tell us, even if they have a horrible track record. An alternative system would be that someone with a horrible track record can still report logos, but those reports are shown to admins only. That's on our to-do list.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-06-15

Right now, I just think reports against 1-2 designers should be excluded from the public vote. It feels like a personal vendetta, and seeing their logos reported over and over again… ugh.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-06-15

Many thanks for the suggestion CrossTheLime. I kind of agree. Showing them to the community might be fueling the fire. The opposite might also be true - the person(s) doing the reporting could get the message that the community sides with the person being targeted. We will keep an eye on it.



DESIGNER
MonGE Designs
2021-07-18

I been seeing this a lot lately, someone targeting specific designer and saying something mean against where they come from.. Is there a way to ban someone from reporting or maybe suspend them for a limited time or at least ban specific words in reports? it seems like they are targeting specific person or country which to me doesn't sound fair and i cant imagine how this person might feel being targeted everyday and also anyone from same country seeing these kind of reports that not only targets the same designer but also describing their country in a hurtful sense. I mean even if the designer was on the wrong side and deserves to be reported or banned, that doesn't give anyone the right to describe their country in a bad manner.



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-07-18

I have seen this frustrated ‘designer’...
S
Looks like he has nothing better to do to piss off designers. If you had a bad day, please go to the gym or punch yourself in the face.

If you have no (better) references that this, then spend your time with making logos...

#nonsense



DESIGNER
Brandmaistro
2021-07-18

If you are that hero who is commenting on other designers work, please drop a comment. If you have the balls to do that.....



DESIGNER
ava_nauval
2021-07-18

@MonGE

This user abused the violation report feature actually. Admin should take care of this type of person.



DESIGNER
Ortega Graphics
2021-07-18

Hello,

Discrimination, prejudice or hatred (of any kind) against one particular country should result in an immediate and permanent ban of the hostile user.

Additionally, even though the current LogoGround User Agreement, specifically indicates that users agree that they will not post defamatory content, a very clear and explicit zero-tolerance policy against the aforementioned actions should be added to said user agreement.

Just some thoughts,

Ortega Graphics



DESIGNER
kassymkulov
2021-07-18
Edited 2021-07-18 by kassymkulov permalink ANCHOR

We should add an option: Ban the Reporter ;)

But, as far as I know, you are not required to fill the name and email, you can straightly just send the message.
@ajleroux Can these type of anonymous (no name no email) reports be tracked back to the reporter?



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-07-18

Hi MonGE Designs,

Yup, we felt the same way. Yesterday we changed the system to address this situation. Some reports will now go to admins only, without being shown to the community. Abusive reports will still get through sometimes, but at least now we have a system to catch some of it and we can start to fine-tune that system to become better at catching abusive reports.

By the way, the abusive reports we have seen over the past two or three days mostly come from one source. This person uses fake names and different Gmail accounts, not associated with any existing LogoGround account.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-07-18

kassymkulov, they can be tracked to some extent, but not very reliably. The system mentioned in my message above will use what information is available to "guess" if a report should be classed as abusive. It will be somewhat hit-and-miss initially and get better over time.



DESIGNER
MonGE Designs
2021-07-18

ajleroux , I'm glad you were aware and changed the system for it! I still hate that they cant have any consequences specially when not having an existing LG account. But i understand your doing your best to avoid it so Thank You.



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-07-19

Seriously, wtf is wrong with people. What a waste of time and energy.



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-07-21

there is a client ranting about a designer changing the price while he only ask if they can change the color? are there any consequences for this?



DESIGNER
Cope
2021-07-21

Maybe that's not a client at all. Maybe it is a designer.



ADMIN
ajleroux
2021-07-21

Hi Genovius,

Nope, no consequences for the designer. As Cope correctly observed, we can't know for sure.

Changing the price when a client inquires about a logo would be a stupid thing to do - it will probably be a lost sale every time - but it is not something we can penalize the designer for. Designers have the right to change their prices.



DESIGNER
rasagama
2021-07-21

In my opinion, if there is no agreement then there will be no transaction.
In this situation the designer misses out on a sales opportunity. There is nothing wrong with such a case.



DESIGNER
Genovius
2021-07-21

just worried if it will affect LG reputations



DESIGNER
CrossTheLime
2021-07-22

That would be an issue if LG was a repeat-buy scenario. Most clients only come here once or twice. And even then, the client is vaguely aware that a negative experience with ONE logo enquiry doesn’t mean any of the other designers would pull that kind of stunt.

Designers are free to set prices. If they want to raise prices by 200+% every time someone shows interest… they will soon learn that they aren’t selling much.



DESIGNER
yaravisualdesign
2021-08-01
Edited 2021-08-01 by yaravisualdesign permalink ANCHOR

Hello logogrounds and admins and designers, friends here.

In this case I found one of my logos was reported, for clarification I want to send a brainstorming stage for the logo that I made and everything went through stages, sketches, concepts, and executions that take a times.

When viewed at a glance, there are similarities but the construction of the logo is very different between the two, I think this report has no strong reason.

For Logo the link below.

Thanks for all

Regrads

Yara

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AHs5Dgy3sPfVKbanNan5pJZpotR0ogQq/view?usp=sharing

https://www.logoground.com/logo.php?id=543804

https://tmsearch.onlinepatent.ru/images/e29036e7-4028-4fd7-8a07-9f98dcc2df85.jpg


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